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July 25, 2020 at 7:25 pm #1589
rjnwmillParticipantThis article will be a hoot for TC…
A Yale epidemiologist reports Hydroxichloroquine is both safe and highly effective in the treatment of early stage covid-19 cases. He states the science from all over the globe confirms that the cheap treatment should be widely deployed, irrespective of age. And by the way Fauci, what have you got against cheap?
Tell me TC, you still planning to vote for a guy who poses a question to Trump re his medically supervised use of the drug, What in God’s name is he doing? Who was acting in the interest of Americans independent of race, age, sex, physical limitations, co-morbidities or political preference? {Watch the video.}. You know TC, this is your guy, the guy with the pleasant demeanor, the guy who lives by the science.
Solely for political self interest, he postponed broad use of this therapeutic. Does he have blood on his hands? Should Mr. Senility be forced to disclose the names of the idiots he consulted before he castigated the Orange One?
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July 25, 2020 at 10:43 pm #1590
topcamera
ParticipantOne doc from Yale. Is his name Salk? Sabin? I’ll go with the majority of opinion. You take the malaria drug. Good luck with the nightmares.
LOL you guys and your links. Do they just float to you or do you read 100 and finally find one to justify your idiot theories?
One poster always refers to right wing media for his lunatic ideas. I thought you were smarter but alas apparently not.
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July 26, 2020 at 12:09 am #1591
rjnwmillParticipantTC, stupid may play in your regular circles. It won’t play here.
The Hill isn’t right wing media. The head of epidemiology at Yale isn’t one doctor. In fact he highlights global results from physicians/researchers independently substantiating his conclusions. Didn’t you read, or do you have a comprehension problem?
You can hang with the Senile One and his condemnation of hydroxychloroquine. Just let ‘em die. It’s good for your guy’s political aspirations.
You can remain focused on the importance of the Orange One and a mask. We all know BLM, ANTIFA, and your other friends are only too ready to mimic the Orange One. After all you guys ain’t smart enough to think for yourselves. You live in a nation of followers. It’s why free speech and independent thinking must be expunged in your world. Teleprompters for all. It’s the core of Build Back Better.
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July 26, 2020 at 7:23 am #1592
Neodymium60
ParticipantBoth Salk and Sabin were evidence based scientists, not majority opinion scientists.
The role of Yale in solving the polio epidemic was significant especially in the early stages. No one doing polio research anywhere would have snickered at a Yale epidemiologist’s conclusions of a therapy’s efficacy then or now. They would have embraced it as part of the larger picture.
The problem with this virus pandemic is in assessing personal risk. You’ll see the most fear with those most risk averse. In the case of Covid, the fear is extreme due mostly to the media providing irresponsible stories. We’ve ended up with most people believing that getting Covid = death on a respirator. That is false except for the obvious that are always at risk.
The data on Covid now is significant and anyone can calculate their 0wn risks if they want to take the time. Some Covid data has also been overstated and even incented.
President Trump’s mistake is that he should have had MDs at his news conferences from different parts of the country updating citizens on their experiences and opinions. He should have given the floor to them. Because most places were not Manhattan and Queens with a dimwit governor screaming about his vent shortage every day. And Fauci was a DC insider with too much exposure and clout. He ended up as the face of fear, dread and uncertainty.
A lot of this has just become very bad theater. And this is only Act 1.
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July 26, 2020 at 10:47 am #1593
rjnwmillParticipantGee Neodymium60, thanks…a lot
“A lot of this has just become very bad theater. And this is only Act 1.”
But I fear you are right as rain. Anything politics touches now-a-days then suffers from necrosis of reason and responsibility.
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Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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July 26, 2020 at 2:05 pm #1594
topcamera
ParticipantPin your hopes on the malaria drug and open up society. LOL.
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July 26, 2020 at 3:22 pm #1596
Neodymium60
Participant[quote quote=1594]Pin your hopes on the malaria drug and open up society. LOL.[/quote]
More bad theater. Can I play?
You get Covid and don’t know what to do. The MD says he is going to flip a coin to help decide what to do. Heads you take the malaria drug because there is evidence of some success, tails you tell the doctor that under no circumstances are you to take the malaria drug because it’s laughable.
I know exactly what I would do.
What’s your call?
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July 26, 2020 at 6:57 pm #1601
LegendKeymaster[quote quote=1596][quote quote=1594]Pin your hopes on the malaria drug and open up society. LOL.[/quote] More bad theater. Can I play? You get Covid and don’t know what to do. The MD says he is going to flip a coin to help decide what to do. Heads you take the malaria drug because there is evidence of some success, tails you tell the doctor that under no circumstances are you to take the malaria drug because it’s laughable. I know exactly what I would do. What’s your call?[/quote]
TC has taken antimalarials before. That alone would make me pause to consider whether I would.
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July 26, 2020 at 7:04 pm #1602
topcamera
ParticipantAbout ten times. I am still pissed that I had only one hallucination when on them. In all that time I saw one mosquito, at our luxury hotel in Sandakan. Squashed her. I pin my hopes on other drugs and on Dr. Mike Matthay’s stem cell trials at UCSF. Tow articles about him in the Chronicle in the past month. I don’t link articles. I don’t live in Florida.
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July 26, 2020 at 7:14 pm #1603
gpn38
ParticipantI almost killed my Nigerian colleague after taking my anti malarial. I swear he was getting fresh with me.
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July 26, 2020 at 7:40 pm #1608
Beeg_Dawg
ParticipantLittle wonder people are taking sides when “data” changes or is misrepresented. I believe this is sloppy reporting if you want to call it reporting at all. No need to fact check, just toss out some BS that fits a narrative.
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July 26, 2020 at 8:05 pm #1610
jportster
Participanthttps://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014
Our one could try reading the study of the Brazil data and wonder how Dr. Risch came to his conclusions, which seem materially different from the published study in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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July 26, 2020 at 8:33 pm #1611
rjnwmillParticipantI only read the abstract of the NEJM article you linked. It raises an obvious question. Are the NEJM and the Yale epidemiologist commenting on the same Brazilian based study results? The numbers of patients that are involved are somewhat different.
Further the NEJM abstract doesn’t comment or confirm earlier news reports that use of hydroxichloroquine was resulting in increased fatal outcomes.
Here is a link to Dr. Risch’s Newsweek article. It is a short read and worth your time. As is common with statistically based medical results, parameters drive results. Risch is clearly focused on early stage infections in high risk populations. From what I know of the risks associated with infection, this is a key population if one seeks to minimize mortality.
From the abstract alone I’m not at all sure the focus of the NEJM was on early treatment. Their results included patients already receiving oxygen therapy In their samples.
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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July 26, 2020 at 8:40 pm #1612
topcamera
ParticipantMy soundman screamed in the night in his tent on the Okavango Delta. After a few such nights he stopped taking the once a week pill. Couldn’t ever donate blood either.
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July 28, 2020 at 1:34 am #1618
lex24
ParticipantYou can find a study to support just about any conclusion you want to draw. I take it all with a heavy dose of salt. Way too many unknown unknowns.
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July 28, 2020 at 9:40 am #1619
LegendKeymaster[quote quote=1618]You can find a study to support just about any conclusion you want to draw. I take it all with a heavy dose of salt. Way too many unknown unknowns.[/quote]
Heavy doses of salt are bad for you.
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July 28, 2020 at 9:58 am #1620
RoscoeMaynard
ParticipantI am sticking with the heavy doses of the anti-malarial before I have the disease so I can turn orange.
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July 28, 2020 at 10:31 am #1621
rjnwmillParticipantIf you administer the appropriate shade and concentration of the proper food coloring…or elect to voluntarily increase your blood pressure materially, I’m certain you’ll be able to dial in the perfect shade of cardinal.
Post a picture.
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July 28, 2020 at 11:31 am #1622
topcamera
ParticipantI am going to rig the dose and become black… it is now quite fashionable.
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