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The Dems are exerting some urgency on Attorney General Garland in hopes that he accelerates any potential prosecution in advance of the midterms, at which point a Republican congress can vote to dissolve the committee.
President Biden wants Trump and others responsible for the January 6 “insurrection” in jail.
Garland Faces Growing Pressure as Jan. 6 Investigation Widens – DNyuz
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This should have been ordinary grand jury stuff on day 2. There was no reason to politicize this with a Congressional committee.
My own cynical view is that it didn’t happen because Trump is far more useful to Biden than he is to the GOP, for which he remains a continual embarrassment. Without Trump, the absurdities of the Democrats are fully visible.
Biden hopes to run in 2024 against Trump on another lesser evil ticket. His best chance.
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“This article is based on interviews with more than a dozen people, including officials in the Biden administration and people with knowledge of the president’s thinking, all of whom asked for anonymity to discuss private conversations.”
Geez, didn’t the press learn anything from from the Russia coverage? Another one sided memorialization of history.
”Immediately after Merrick B. Garland was sworn in as attorney general in March of last year, he summoned top Justice Department officials and the F.B.I. director to his office. He wanted a detailed briefing on the case that will, in all likelihood, come to define his legacy: the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol.”
An interesting characterization on the significance of this case. If I’d been hired for the job, I’d think the open investigation of family corruption on the part of the guy who hired me was perhaps more significant?
This positioning seems like the basic three shell find the pea carnival game. Focus on the carnival barker and the unarmed insurrection, not the grifting of the first family and the potential conflicts of interest associated with the war in Ukraine and the use of Putin as our agent in discussions with Iran?
But perhaps the political sleight of hand has real value here. I lose sleep thinking that Biden begets Harris who begets Pelosi, who begets Schumer, who begets Blinken, who begets Yellen, who begets Austin.
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Mick, there’s no reason to put ‘insurrection’ in quotes. It was plain as day what was going on. The day before the insurrection I started a thread called “Trump still attempting his coup“. There was a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election. January 6th wasn’t just some big coincidence.
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https://nypost.com/2022/04/06/judge-finds-man-not-guilty-in-first-capitol-riot-acquittal/
Yes, you are right. You were early in advancing a narrative about an “insurrection”. So? An insurrection by a largely unarmed mob that was in part directed into the capital by the police?
Didn’t you also buy into the narrative created by the 50 intel experts? The narrative about Trump/Russia collusion sold by Sussman? The Schiff narrative about “evidence of collusion in plain sight”?
Those narratives were used to justify your support for Biden? But hey, he’s trying to deliver your wealth tax, no?
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“Didn’t you also buy into the narrative created by the 50 intel experts? The narrative about Trump/Russia collusion sold by Sussman?”
RJ, ironically I literally address that in the “Trump still attempting his coup” thread that I just linked to above. If you review that thread one of my posts says, “I mentioned in a previous post last week that I didn’t really follow the Russia thing that closely and never commented one way or another on it. I will note, though, that it was initiated by Republicans, investigated by Republicans, and prosecuted by Republicans.”
I guess you didn’t review the thread very closely … So, no, I never had a strong opinion about the Russia collusion thing and have hardly ever commented on it.
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Mick, there’s no reason to put ‘insurrection’ in quotes. It was plain as day what was going on. The day before the insurrection I started a thread called “Trump still attempting his coup“. There was a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election. January 6th wasn’t just some big coincidence.
In a nation of 330 million people, we’re talking about 2,000 – 2,500 people, absolute tops, who didn’t know what the F they were doing, who were largely unarmed, dramatically outnumbered by an armed police and had literally zero hope of changing anything?
Here’s the definition of an insurrection by the Collins English Dictionary:
Definition of ’insurrection’
insurrection(ɪnsərɛkʃən)Word forms: insurrections
VARIABLE NOUN
“An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office.”I don’t think the number of people/idiots involved in the January 6 Capitol attack rises to the level of an insurrection. Hence, my use of quotes. -
Mick, your 2,000 to 2,500 number appears to be the estimated number that entered the building, whereas the total crowd was estimated as much more than 10,000. The Capitol Police only had 1,200 officers on duty at the Capitol that day, and many were outside the building. So even using your lower number the officers were far outnumbered vs your suggestion that the insurrectionists were the ones outnumbered. There were some Metropolitan Police officers there as well, I believe, but it’s obvious simply from the videos that the officers were outnumbered.
In any case, the size of the mob and who was outnumbered is not as relevant as you suggest. I am not familiar with the Collins dictionary, but every other dictionary I checked (half dozen, including more well known) do not provide that an insurrection be committed by a large number of people. It is simply a violent uprising against an authority or government.
It was certainly violent, as evidenced in countless videos and injury statistics. And it was clearly an uprising against the government. They violently overran police and smashed their way into a joint session of Congress who was there to count the vote with an intent to “stop the steal”.
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Wow, it turns out you were right. Among the 1 million people who took part in the attack on the Capitol, 100,000 were charged, convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for taking part in the insurrection.
Actually…10,000 attended a rally and did nothing. And after a full year and the collaborative work of all 56 FBI field offices, 140 federal prosecutors and 94 U. S. Attorneys around the country, here’s the grand totals:
- 800 +/-were arrested
- 165 pled guilty and 145 of those to misdemeanors
- 70 were sentenced, only 30 got prison time
Some insurrection.
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Not minimizing at all. A few thousand deluded idiots tried to overturn a national election. Very, very few of them were armed, as such. You persist on calling it an insurrection, when 0.001% of the people who (presumably) voted for Trump participated.
Every single American knew that it was doomed, couldn’t work, wouldn’t work, and that it was limited to mainly nut jobs, about 15% of whom were invested in actually trying to topple a government. That’s why so few people have been arrested, charged and convicted.
BTW, the winner of the 2020 election is merrily running this country into the ground. As President Obama said, “Don’t underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to Fxxx things up.”
- University of Michigan survey has American consumer confidence at an 11 year low.
- Inflation the highest since Jimmy Carter. BTW, the Biden administration said inflation would be transient. That aged well.
- Incidentally, Americans hate high inflation more than they love a low unemployment rate.
- Supply chain failures.
- Americans drove 13% fewer during the pandemic, but traffic deaths are up 7%.
- Murders are up across the country.
- Drug overdoses shot up during the pandemic.
- Hate crimes have skyrocketed.
- # of households making a charitable donation have dropped by 1/3rd over the past 20 years.
A sour and angry America poised to punish Dems this fall – POLITICO
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I won’t get into the specific points about Biden. That’s a much larger debate. I don’t concede all your points about him, but even if I did, my personal view is that I’d rather have someone incompetent than an anti Democratic President like Trump running the country. We as a nation can survive a bad President. We’ve had many of them. But Trump had a blatant disregard of (and undermined) many of our institutions, norms, and laws that are necessary for a healthy democracy. Many of you think he made the trains run on time, so to speak, but he was otherwise a cancer on our democracy.
You want to minimize the attack on the Capitol as some small number of nut-cases. But who do you think was encouraging them? Trump and his cronies were feeding that entire narrative and inspiring these guys.
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Many of you think he made the trains run on time, so to speak, but he was otherwise a cancer on our democracy. You want to minimize the attack on the Capitol as some small number of nut-cases. But who do you think was encouraging them? Trump and his cronies were feeding that entire narrative and inspiring these guys.
I don’t think you’re aiming that comment at me, since I’m not a Trump supporter. And I think Trump & cronies were just as deluded. I just don’t think a small number — a very small number — of nitwits, most of whom were unarmed, the vast majority of whom went uncharged, and the majority who were charged were put on probation — constitutes an insurrection.
I do concede, however, that it is critically important to the Demented Left to frame it as such. That’s wildly clear. There was way too much overall success from 2016-2020 to overcome to allow January 6 to be anything other than the equivalent, nay subordinate to 9/11. It’s mission critical for the Dems to pretend that it was an end to end violent uprising.
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my personal view is that I’d rather have someone incompetent than an anti Democratic President like Trump running the country.
That statement explains a lot about the Left.
I’m not saying I want Trump, I want someone competent. I want someone who, when asked what the greatest geopolitical threat facing the country is and responds “Russia” because he knows what he’s talking about. I don’t want some moron with a moronic laugh track response who doesn’t know a thing, literally not one thing about foreign policy and mocks the person who does.
And here’s Obama, desperately trying to redefine himself as someone who was tough on Putin. Funny, I remember Obama thinking the microphone was off and telling the Russians that he’d have more flexibility after the election, presumably when he could abandon promises of being tough on Russia:
Barack Obama Rewrites His Russia History – WSJ
That’s my lasting memory of Obama. “The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back.” Good Lord. Yes, it takes Biden to really fxxx things up, but if you want a clueless pretty boy, look to 44.
BTW, there is a wave of misery sweeping this country. You can thank the hair-sniffer in chief, doddering ancient fool in the White House for all of it. November can’t get here fast enough.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/americans-dont-agree-on-what-to-call-jan-6-attack
Reasonable minds differ, along partisan lines. Which tells me that the truth is somewhere in the middle, and likely not an insurrection, nor simply a riot. Certainly the cases tried so far seem to not back the “insurrection,” narrative, and the congressional kangaroo court (based on what they’ve subpoenaed and the lack of any real GOP participation) investigation is going nowhere. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are mental lightweights after jobs on MSNBC after they’re no longer in power. (Thank you to Adam Kinzinger for his service, but his Ukraine tweets, falling for hoax after hoax, show he’s unusually susceptible to propaganda). Liz Cheney just called a rocket attack on a rail station “genocide.” Quit throwing terms like that around for no reason.
Muh norms? From a party that wants to blow up the filibuster, pack the court, get rid of the Electoral College, federalize elections, use public health as a political weapon, delay the vaccine rollout for two months (killing more people) for political reasons, change all voting laws to eliminate voting standards to “protect democracy,” use the CDC to pass rent control / eviction moratoriums and OSHA to enact vaccine mandates, open our borders, and use the DOJ to silence parental rights groups? Not to mention a rolling foreign policy disaster predicated on weakness and “optics” rather than basic competence?
The Constitution was designed to prevent any one person or branch from aggregating too much power for a reason. Democrats don’t believe in this principle anymore.
Not to mention the most poisonous political dirty trick in history, exacerbating a foreign policy disaster dating back to at least 2014? A dirty trick that weaponized the intelligence community and federal law enforcement, in conjunction with the media to launder a political lie? That’s not a violation of norms? That gets a pass?
Oh, wait. Are you talking about talking about a stolen election?
Insurrectionist! https://t.co/E14YmuKv2O
— Lyndsey Fifield (@lyndseyfifield) April 10, 2022
Her lust for power, combined with using the levers of government (and a compliant media) to run a fraudulent political influence operation against the American people is okay? That’s not anti-democratic?
What did the Trump administration do that was ultimately found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court? Compare that to how many Biden administration policies that have already been found unconstitutional (OSHA vaccine mandate, CDC eviction moratorium, excluding white people from relief programs by race). You can buy into the media’s hatred of Trump as a person, but his administration did not willy-nilly violate the Constitution. The Biden administration has shown a willingness to KNOWINGLY violate the Constitution (OSHA and the CDC? Really?).
So think very carefully when you regurgitate the media narrative that Trump / the GOP is a danger to democracy. I’m not sure the “democracy” the Democrats are selling you is the same as what they’re envisioning.
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[quote quote=5950]my personal view is that I’d rather have someone incompetent than an anti Democratic President like Trump running the country. ..But Trump had a blatant disregard of (and undermined) many of our institutions, norms, and laws that are necessary for a healthy democracy. Many of you think he made the trains run on time, so to speak, but he was otherwise a cancer on our democracy. You want to minimize the attack on the Capitol as some small number of nut-cases. [/quote]
You’re we’ll read and generally express positions well. What I don’t understand is the myopia around Trump and January 6th.
The Capital breach is not as simple as you suggest. The recent Whitmer decisions and the FBI’s “support” for the plot; does it cause you to question or reconsider your attribution of responsibility for January 6th to Trump?
Does the dossier, the Schiff bull shit, the two impeachment attempts, the “whistleblower” and the characterization of the “perfect call”, the facts surrounding the Sussman indictment, the lies to the FISA court qualify as an attempt at insurrection? Were they perhaps a more serious attempt at insurrection, perpetrated by more serious men than some out of control group of unarmed clowns who delayed a constitutional process… for a couple of hours? The impeachment bull shit cost 2+ years?
January 6th was a day, a single unimportant distraction. Not much farther afield than Gore v Bush. However, I think there is merit in examining why our government is broken. Why our institutions don’t reflect the wishes of the electorate. Why has politics subverted our constitution? Why our leadership is not committed to make the trains run on time, as you pointed out. Why has narrative replaced discussion of the facts? How do we overcome the collusion between the media, social media and the political class? What’s changed from Woodward & Bernstein and the “coverage” of Biden’s laptop and the grifting? Geez, a President owned by our strongest competitor? Is that an insurrection? Perpetrated in the shadows? Facilitated by ignorance or a deliberate lack of interest?
To the extent Trump has seriously impacted our country positively, a work that is unfinished, it is that he’s facilitated transparency. A real good look at what’s wrong, and there is a lot wrong. A real good look at the self dealing assholes that occupy both sides of the aisle. (Pelosi tearing up a State of the Union address was priceless. Pierre Dilecto seeking Trump’s support in an election contest, seeking to become his Secretary of State, and then citing principle as the basis for his impeachment vote. Really? Trump’s character didn’t change during the last four years. McCain campaigning on repeal and replace to gain reelection only to tell AZ voters, F you.)
Our institutions are not functioning correctly. I’d support Trump for another term, not because he’s a paragon of virtue, but more of these assholes need to be exposed. And his character/ego shortcomings seem to bring out the worst in people. The character limitations they try so hard to disguise come into full relief. Fuck the lot of them…plus Trump enjoyed some policy success as you note.
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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<p data-reader-unique-id=”80″>This from an article about the status of the Durham investigation. Who here can see the guy in the Shaman get up designing and implementing his legal strategy in advance so he can beat the subsequent insurrection charges should his action fail on January 6th?</p>
<p data-reader-unique-id=”80″>“The protects afforded by the work-product doctrine are the very reason why Perkins Coie referenced “potential and/or on-going litigation” in its contract with Fusion GPS. In other words, they planned ahead for the possibility that this privilege might need to be asserted. (This is the privilege Fusion GPS was asserting when it was sued by the owners of Alfa Bank.)”</p><figure data-reader-unique-id=”82″><picture data-reader-unique-id=”84″><source srcset=”https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 424w, https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 848w, https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 1272w, https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 1456w” type=”image/webp” sizes=”100vw” data-reader-unique-id=”85″ />
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Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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As GR has pointed out a number of times in the past, we’re headed for class warfare, particularly given the recent, current and near-term future bouts of inflation. The staggering incompetence of the Biden administration ensures it. It will, of course, drive the working class further from the Democrats this year and into early November.
But there will be pain enough for both sides. Consider the recent Amazon union vote. Unionization is back, baby. Neither liberal oligarchs or conservatives want to debate true issues, the answers are too painful. They’d rather concentrate on climate, race and gender. No one wants to talk about runaway rents or the other problems of a deeply pessimistic working and middle class.
Nearly 70% of Americans think they’ll be worse off next year. Did you know that 1/3rd of working class men aren’t in the labor force? There’s a persistent lack of participation in the service class as well.
Most working class voters don’t care about climate, race or gender. They want to feed and house their families.
BTW, Biden is nominating Steve Dettelbach as Director of the ATF, which hasn’t had a permanent director since 2015. Dettelbach is an official at the gun control group Giffords. His name was floated once before but centrist Dems and Republicans made sure it wouldn’t happen.
And here’s a pretty good Atlantic article on why we cannot communicate:
Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid – The Atlantic
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<p data-reader-unique-id=”80″>A quote from an article about the status of the Durham litigation.</p>
<p data-reader-unique-id=”80″>“The protects afforded by the work-product doctrine are the very reason why Perkins Coie referenced “potential and/or on-going litigation” in its contract with Fusion GPS. In other words, they planned ahead for the possibility that this privilege might need to be asserted. (This is the privilege Fusion GPS was asserting when it was sued by the owners of Alfa Bank.)”</p><figure data-reader-unique-id=”82″><picture data-reader-unique-id=”84″><source srcset=”https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 424w, https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 848w, https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 1272w, https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F17e838f4-9956-47bb-8541-24d40c94a369_746x356.png 1456w” type=”image/webp” sizes=”100vw” data-reader-unique-id=”85″ /></picture></figure>
Who here believes the clown in the shaman suit was smart enough to devise and implement a legal strategy in advance of January 6th. A strategy that would prove to be helpful in the unlikely event that the planned unarmed insurrection was unsuccessful?Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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Mick, there’s no reason to put ‘insurrection’ in quotes. It was plain as day what was going on. The day before the insurrection I started a thread called “Trump still attempting his coup“. There was a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election. January 6th wasn’t just some big coincidence.
A question for you. Expressed as a percentage, how likely was it that Trump and co., by their actions on January 6, would overturn the results of the legitimate 2020 Presidential election?
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‘Insurrection’ is the usual hyperbole, in the same way that the opposition to Trump immediately after the election called itself ‘The Resistance’, shamelessly adopting the name of a group of individuals who took real risks and exhibited real courage.
Which does not change the fact that Donald Trump committed palpable treason on January 6th, and should be made to pay for it. The numbers may not be all that large, but if that mob had managed to take a hostage – Nancy Pelosi, or someone – and this was a near thing – we would have been witness to a real banana republic disgrace.
The sooner Trump is identified as the Aaron Burr successor he actually is, a traitor in the most basic definition of the word, the better off the GOP will be. (The hell with all this RINO nonsense – Trump is the poseur).
As noted above, Trump is the Democrat’s best chance for 2024. Precisely the reason, in my cynical opinion, why the Biden Administration has not gone forward with a conventional prosecution.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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[quote quote=6002]‘Insurrection’ is the usual hyperbole, in the same way that the opposition to Trump immediately after the election called itself ‘The Resistance’, shamelessly adopting the name of a group of individuals who took real risks and exhibited real courage. Which does not change the fact that Donald Trump committed palpable treason on January 6th, and should be made to pay for it. The numbers may not be all that large, but if that mob had managed to take a hostage – Nancy Pelosi, or someone – and this was a near thing – we would have been witness to a real banana republic disgrace. The sooner Trump is identified as the Aaron Burr successor he actually is, a traitor in the most basic definition of the word, the better off the GOP will be. (The hell with all this RINO nonsense – Trump is the poseur). As noted above, Trump is the Democrat’s best chance for 2024. Precisely the reason, in my cynical opinion, why the Biden Administration has not gone forward with a conventional prosecution.[/quote]
Let’s assume that Trump were tried for treason as you say.. How would you rule as to punishment? Death penalty? Hanging. Drawing, quartering? Would you follow with a similar indictment of Russian collusion participants?
As to hostage taking I’m sure Nancy Pelosi was running around looking for someone to tie her up but couldn’t find a willing insurrectionist. They must have forgotten to bring rope and firearms.
Speaking of banana republic insurrections. I’ve seen one up close. It’s not what you think. Dictator goes to Washington. While he’s away, political opposition takes over seat of government,. US decides to back dictator. He comes back and lands on airstrip with US troops already there standing at attention as he steps off chopper. We escort him back. A few oppo guys get arrested. A couple of years later same dictator killed in highly unusual plane crash. No one blinks.
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