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    • #4802
      BeyondThunderdomeBeyondThunderdome
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      Republicans vote not to investigate the Capitol insurrection.

      Not really a surprise. I don’t know why anyone would vote to investigate themselves and their supporters.

    • #4803
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      Are there people who think it was Antifa?

      You want the origins of the Jan 6 trespass?  Here it is:  a few really pissed off Americans went too far. Trump didn’t “do” it. Antifa didn’t “do” it.

      A really mature approach would be to understand why they would be pissed enough to storm the Capitol, but that’s an investigation that is too sensitive for politics. Instead we will blame qanon and try to stick it to Trump.

      The facts are these:  the voting game was substantially altered across the country. The election turned out the way it did, completely within the rules.  no investigation is likely to turn up anything different. The question is whether the rules were altered in good faith. The question is whether the game was rigged.

      The pandemic, while real, deadly, and scary for a sub segment of society, was a political tool. It was the proverbial crisis that politicians wouldn’t let go to waste. The Trump model of governance, while nasty and embarrassing, was working. Peace, jobs, prosperity, and a constantly tightening money supply (people have already forgotten that trump’s market and economic successes came while the fed tightened 7 consecutive times IIRC). The Dems know this and actually were gifted a crisis big enough to remodel politics in months.

      It’s a fascinating story if anybody wants to look at it for what it is.

      Screw Antifa.

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      Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

      • #4812
        BeyondThunderdomeBeyondThunderdome
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        Yes, according to a recent poll (from late March), 31% of Republicans still blame Antifa. There was also a thread about it posted by Cardcrimson on this board shortly after the incident.

        PL, you wrote: “A really mature approach would be to understand why they would be pissed enough to storm the Capitol, but that’s an investigation that is too sensitive for politics. Instead we will blame qanon and try to stick it to Trump.”

        We know why they were pissed off. Their leadership lied to them repeatedly about “the steal” – and continues to lie about it. And the fact that nearly a third of Republicans believe the insurrection was antifa is indicative of a serious break with reality and basic facts among conservatives.

        I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at how easily conservatives are whitewashing this incident, making it out to be no big deal. Just a few disgruntled tourists who just happened to storm the capitol during the formal and legal conclusion to a democratic election. Nothing to see here. Maybe we can have a 34th hearing on Benghazi instead.

        • #4813
          rjnwmillrjnwmill
          Participant

          Their leadership lied to them repeatedly about “the steal” – and continues to lie about it.”

          You like the weeds, don’t you?

          The last rightest/Trump lie/conspiracy theory, the source of the CCP virus being the Wuhan lab was the gospel of democrats and the media for a year?  Until now…when facts emerge. A year of lost time because Trump suggested the truth and the truth wouldn’t facilitate the perversion of election processes highlighted by legend.

          Give it a rest.

          Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
          Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #4804
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
      Participant

      That sums it up beautifully.

      And I pity those who have grown comfortable in the weeds.  Like pigs in the slop.  They can’t/won’t contribute to effective change management.

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #4805
      AvatarMick
      Participant

      The facts are these: the voting game was substantially altered across the country. The election turned out the way it did, completely within the rules. no investigation is likely to turn up anything different. The question is whether the rules were altered in good faith. The question is whether the game was rigged. The pandemic, while real, deadly, and scary for a sub segment of society, was a political tool. It was the proverbial crisis that politicians wouldn’t let go to waste. The Trump model of governance, while nasty and embarrassing, was working. The Dems know this and actually were gifted a crisis big enough to remodel politics in months. It’s a fascinating story if anybody wants to look at it for what it is. Screw Antifa.

      All true.  Trump’s economy was roaring. He had a number of successes politically and internationally that the Dems could never have; e.g., get certain Arab countries to foreswear attacking Israel, quarter after quarter of shrinking unemployment and increasing, record entrepreneurial starts for all genders and races.

      BTW, all that’s gone.  Mideast crisis.  Check.  Immigration/border crisis.  Check and double check.  International failure after international failure, check and triple check.  And best of all, soaring inflation, vanishing jobs, China on the rocketing rise and a soggy job market. Checkmate.

      Peace, jobs, prosperity, and a constantly tightening money supply (people have already forgotten that trump’s market and economic successes came while the fed tightened 7 consecutive times IIRC).

      Well, you nailed it.  And let’s not forget that Obama enjoyed interest rates that were literally as low as they could go for seven of his eight years in office, then they were raised 1/4th of a point in his last year.

      • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by AvatarMick.
    • #4814
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      What a laugh.  Dems accuse Republicans of being nothing more than mindless Trump sycophants.  Strikes me that Dems are rudderless without Trump.  No one to hate, no course to steer other than undo everything Trump did.

      You’ve forgotten or don’t care how many futile dem investigations of Trump failed to produce anything actionable.

      Maybe this is the dems throwing a bone to Bob Mueller.  “Bob, you let us down before, but we are going to give you another shot”.

    • #4815
      AvatarNeodymium60
      Participant

      [quote quote=4802]Republicans vote not to investigate the Capitol insurrection. Not really a surprise. I don’t know why anyone would vote to investigate themselves and their supporters.[/quote]

      The Capital insurrection was investigated in Trump Impeachment II just to be precise.   The vote you reference was for Trump Impeachment III and you lost again.  The purpose being to keep the ball rolling to the mid term elections.  There is still time to call Bob Mueller for Mueller Investigation II.   I think they shift to New York to open a whole new chapter.

      The true President of the US lives in Florida but possession is 9/10ths of the law. Unhappily governments aren’t maintained by just means.  Antifa is one small example.   To be precise.

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      • #4825
        BeyondThunderdomeBeyondThunderdome
        Participant

        “The true President of the US lives in Florida but possession is 9/10ths of the law.”

        I guess he can’t run for a third term then.

    • #4818
      AvatarCornfed
      Participant

      Twelve guns were recovered in the aftermath of Jan 6.  None of them had been fired.  Rioters were arrested that day and many were hunted down across the country and brought back to face justice.  Many of these morons were placed in solitary and have been held there since they were arrested.  Not a single person was seriously harmed by the mob.  Many, like BT, probably assert that Officer Sicknick had his head beaten in with a fire extinguisher, or if they actually know how to read, they have learned that he died of a stroke.  Those who get that far, desperately assert that he was maced by rioters, which caused the stroke, a blind assertion with no evidence.  On the other hand we cannot even learn the name of the Capital Hill security guard who shot and killed Ashlii Babbitt.

      Even mentioning the Capital Hill riot in the same context as 9/11 is deeply offensive to the thousands of victims who were murdered by true terrorists.  It is revealing to point out that OAC and Nancy Pelosi were back in the House a few hours after the attack.

      In the meantime, vicious murders took place around the country throughout the summer.  Many of those rioters, if they even were arrested, were released without bond within a couple of hours.  What is the status of the arrest and prosecution of the perpetrator who killed David Dorn in cold blood in an ambush?

      As to the Steal the Vote narrative, I find the vehemence of panic at the mere mention of an audit of the vote to be indicative of the true concerns of defenders of the election results.  There was no such resistance to Hillary’s illegal efforts to cancel the 2016 results.  In fact, most leftist activists did everything in their power to advance her agenda.

      The fundamental concern with the 2020 election is the fact that the election laws of many key states were changed meaningfully without the involvement of the relevant state legislatures, a flatly unconstitutional approach.  The fact that the courts refused to hear many of the resulting cases was more the result of their discomfort with perpetuating a seriously disruptive process that could destabilize society.  It has done that anyway since people adamently want answers.

      It is the sheer desperation of the Democrats to shut down any audit or review that stinks to high heaven.  What on earth terrifies them?  Every step has been met with obstruction and delay.  At the same time their national leaders in the House and Senate have moved forward aggressively to make permanent these voting procedures that are causing so much distrust and disruption.

      I do not think that voters around the country are deeply aware of the staggering importance of this issue.  Democrats are winning the PR battle on this and have succeeded with people like BT in convincing them that there is nothing to the concerns of people like me.  To use the terminology of the Left, this is an existential event.  If they were able to enact HR 1 and S1, our country will have crossed a threshold from which it will be very unlikely to return.

       

       

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