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    • #8660
      Mick1Mick1
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      First, the non-interesting item. Black women are rallying to support Harris:

      ‘We were built for this moment’: Black women rally around Kamala Harris (msn.com)

      Now the interesting item: Black men aren’t nearly as supportive of Harris. Metro Detroit — of all places, a place I lived for four years — show a slight, persistent polling edge for Trump. Heard this from a Dem commentator yesterday.

      https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/21/michigan-poll-trump-biden-polling/74468127007/

      Trump has a 7 point lead in the state, including a 46% to 44% lead in Metro Detroit. Four years ago, Biden beat Trump 56% to 40%.

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    • #8662
      Mick1Mick1
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      And Trump just scored his highest favorability rating ever in the Quinnipiac poll, currently at 46%, up from 44% last month and 41% a few months ago.

      Donald Trump Breaks Record, Poll Shows

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    • #8663
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      [quote quote=8660]First, the non-interesting item. Black women are rallying to support Harris: ‘We were built for this moment’: Black women rally around Kamala Harris (msn.com) Now the interesting item: Black men aren’t nearly as supportive of Harris. Metro Detroit — of all places, a place I lived for four years — show a slight, persistent polling edge for Trump. Heard this from a Dem commentator yesterday. https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/21/michigan-poll-trump-biden-polling/74468127007/ Trump has a 7 point lead in the state, including a 46% to 44% lead in Metro Detroit. Four years ago, Biden beat Trump 56% to 40%.[/quote]

      I don’t see anything here that is surprising. Rallying to support Harris – really?  Biden got over 90% of the Black Female vote, how much more rallying can one get?

       

    • #8665
      Avatarrogpodge
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      Avatarrogpodge
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    • #8667
      Avatarrogpodge
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    • #8668
      LegendLegend
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      I think as Kamala’s background comes out more clearly to folks there will be a lot of consternation.  If you haven’t seen any segments of it, the Judge Joe Brown interview gives an insider’s view of how black men might view Kamala.

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      In the YouTube: Start at 4:45 for Brown’s views of Harris.

      I think the identity part of Kamala is almost offensive to the intent of identity politics.  Her “blackness” is from a slaveowning family in Jamaica, and her Indo-Asian-ness is from an elite Indian caste.  Now, I’m not judging, but some folks will say “wait just a minute” on this when they learn more.

      I think the most squirrely portion of the electorate will be white women.  Kamala plays well to white women because, well, she ain’t black as Joe would say.  She’s the Coke Zero of blackness.

      This last few days has been one of the most fascinating displays of how the mass media can be steered on a dime to a new narrative.  Kamala is suddenly an Obama-level savior.  It’s amazing and it will fade.  Her politics have something for everybody to hate.

       

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    • #8670
      Mick1Mick1
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      Lots of good points. A few thoughts:

      – Right now, Harris is in the honeyiest of honeymoon phases. She hasn’t made any difficult choices, she hasn’t offended anyone other than Trump, she replaced unpopular Joe and she wasn’t seen as the cause of the replacement.

      – A difficult choice she will need to make is her VP selection. Whoever she picks will tick off somebody. The other half of the challenge is that some prominent Dems think she’s going to lose, so they’re aiming for 2028…I suspect that’s why Whitmer has flat out declined, as has Shapiro. If Harris were to pick Shapiro (would be my choice), she risks offending the Hamas terrorist/Middle Eastern supporting Democrats, which are legion. None of the swing state governors or Senators (Kelly, ) can deliver that many electoral votes. Other popular choices (KY gov Beshear, IL gov Pritzker, CA gov Newsom, MN gov Tim Walz) don’t deliver swing state votes. If she were to pick Whitmer or Wes Moore (MD’s popular young gov, who said he doesn’t want it anyway), she would be doubling down on gender or race. Buttigieg is not polling well, particularly among Black voters (he didn’t in 2020 either). Might end up with Roy Cooper, who terms out in December, he’s an old white dude and he really knows how to win elections…he’s won 13 straight.

      – The single poll (Ipsos) that shows her ahead of Trump overweighted Dem voters by 5% relative to Republicans and Independents.

      Click to access Reuters%20Ipsos%20Post%20Biden%20Dropout%20Poll%20July%2023%202024.pdf

      – Kennedy is shown as drawing more from Trump than Harris. He’s infringing on the conspiratorial fringe vote. If he drops out, his votes will accrue to Trump.

      – When she was an AG, she did a lot of very bad things. She put a lot of black men in jail — and kept them there. According to Tulsi — which Harris did not refute — she kept them there long past the date they should have been released.

      – Most people don’t know Harris. They don’t know the gaffes (“We have a secure border” “Equitable treatment means we all end up in the same place”), the awkwardness, the brittle behavior. That’s why Trump is calling for multiple debates. He’d crucify her.

      – She benefits from her association with Hollywood, but — crucially — she isn’t crucified over her long-term ties to California the way that Newsom is.

      – Similarly, Biden’s disastrous policies haven’t really touched her yet. She’s as responsible for them as he is. She’s been such a significant supporter of Biden that it would be difficult for her to repudiate his policies at this late date. Specifically in two critical areas:

      – Inflation / Economy. People other than the upper class are getting crushed by inflation, and the moneyed Dems and their four-part ideological sponsors (technology, Wall Street, Hollywood and academia) aren’t paying much attention to it. Bill Clinton used to have the “It’s the economy, stupid” sign on his desk. No indication that anyone in the Democrat party has picked up on that.

      – Immigration. Most Americans are petrified by the porous southern border and what’s happening there. Even northern, blue state governors woke up and started to squeal when Texas started busing illegal immigrants to those states.

      – Right now, she’s dealing with an adoring media. How will she react when they start to ask her the hard questions?

      – You mentioned Harris as an Obama-level savior. Interesting that Obama hasn’t endorsed her. He made Biden wait, too. Obama’s political instincts are quite strong, and I suspect his memory is long enough to remember how miserable she was at campaigning.

      – In my opinion, the Dems have one chance and one chance only to win this election: they need to re-embrace the blue collar MAGA world, the part of the electorate that they once owned lock stock and barrel, and of which they are now fully contemptuous. David Brooks’ July 18 article nails it. He also notes that it is a worldview that offers working class voters respect. He thinks the Dems are playing into the Republicans’ hands.

      – P. S. A tiny part of me wonders if Biden’s forceful support of Harris is his way of thumbing his nose at his party who saw his unceremenious exit.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 9 months ago by Mick1Mick1.

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    • #8672
      Avatarrogpodge
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      https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1816094306765266945

      Already seeing it on TikTok, X, and other social media. The number of laudatory legacy media pieces is incredible, including a bunch of 180s by pro-Biden reporters who wrote hit pieces when Biden and Harris were engaged in a cold war early in the administration (how do you think she ended up as Border Czar?).

    • #8673
      Avatarrogpodge
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      https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1816150595096416552

      Cleanup on aisle 5.

      https://x.com/MikeKBerg/status/1816180437456474330

      Convenient for a Democrat primary. Not so good for a national election.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 9 months ago by Avatarrogpodge.
    • #8675
      Mick1Mick1
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      Already seeing it on TikTok, X, and other social media. The number of laudatory legacy media pieces is incredible, including a bunch of 180s by pro-Biden reporters who wrote hit pieces when Biden and Harris were engaged in a cold war early in the administration (how do you think she ended up as Border Czar?).

      One of the bizarre collective observations by the media is looking askance at young people not collectively embracing Harris because she’s so “young and fresh.”

      Since when did 59 going on 60 become young and fresh? To a 25 year old, 77 year old Trump and 59 year old Harris aren’t all that different in age. Yes there’s a difference, but it’s not like she’s a Kennedy.

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    • #8676
      Mick1Mick1
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      quote=8673]https://x.com/seanmdav/status/1816150595096416552 Cleanup on aisle 5. https://x.com/MikeKBerg/status/1816180437456474330 Convenient for a Democrat primary. Not so good for a national election.

      That whole border thing…my theory is that Biden, at least in part, resented having having to select her as his veep. I make that comment for two reasons:

      1. His selection of her as, yes, his “border czar”. If he didn’t specifically name her, he put her fully in charge of the border and she very clearly wanted no part of it, and she very clearly failed at it.
      2. Biden resents being pushed out of the presidential 2024 race, and is not pleased with party leaders. He therefore fully endorsed Harris when the smart play for the party would be to hold a mini-primary. Biden remembers (a) what a disaster she was in the primaries and (b) he wants her to crater as a presidential candidate so that Biden can say “See? Told ya so” or have his media minions do it.

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    • #8678
      Avatarrogpodge
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      https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1816452521059303553

      Information laundering / setting up the Trump lies narrative.

      • #8684
        LegendLegend
        Keymaster

        Information is being laundered massively around Kamala.  The memory hole is in full effect.

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    • #8682
      Mick1Mick1
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      Kamala Harris favors (or used to favor) increasing corporate income taxes by two-thirds, from 21% to 35%.

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    • #8689
      Avatarrogpodge
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    • #8691
      Mick1Mick1
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      No wonder she failed at border control. In her eyes, she succeeded…she and Biden created, implemented and retained conditions which allowed in the maximum number of illegal immigrants, including 14,000 arrested for child trafficking.

      Obamas endorsed Harris today. Interesting take by The Telegraph – and I have to admit, the British publications frequently have deeper and stronger takes than American publications – they posit that the Obamas intended to install Senator Kelly as the replacement, but Biden pre-empted them by endorsing Harris.

      Obama’s scheming has spectacularly backfired

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 9 months ago by Mick1Mick1.

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