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    • #3458
      MickMick
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      Biden did win, by a little.  Not by much.  And the Left is doomed in politics.  The Left wanted to lead a moral revolution.  They were repudiated.

      Best summary of outcome I’ve seen so far:

      https://theweek.com/articles/947824/left-just-got-crushed

      Barry Diller said the same:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/trump-critic-barry-diller-feels-humbled-by-close-election.html

      The centrists want Pelosi — and probably others — gone:

      https://thehill.com/homenews/house/524503-centrist-democrats-talk-leadership-changes-after-negative-election-results

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    • #3468
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      This is my own take. This was a surprisingly bad night for the Democrats.

      They hoped to flip the Senate. In the end, they flipped only one seat (I believe Tillis will hold on). (If there’d been a stronger head of ticket, John James might have won. That’s very disappointing.) All of the incumbents won, including Susan Collins.

      They hoped to pick up a dozen seats in the House. They lost five.

      The GOP kept control of all the State houses they now control.

      Prop 16, in the most liberal State in the Union, crashed and burned.

      This with the Great Satan as a unifying target.

      I do believe the vast majority of Americans of all ethnicities are centrist-Left. They’re believers in racial and gender equity, but not to the point where they approve of riots or hysterical language. Unless the Democratic Party comes back to earth – and there are no signs of it – its future is bleak.

      (P.S. How do you riot BEFORE you know election results? The righteously indignant of Portland managed to do just that.)

       

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #3469
      AvatarCornfed
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      Buckle up your chin strap, partner.  I believe this election is going to continue for quite a while.  It is not completely clear to me that we have identified the winner yet, despite the rush to close it down by MSM and liberal “thought” leaders.  It is like a NFL play in which the offense instantly realizes there has been a violation and they rush to start another play to avoid a review by the officials.

      I would also quibble with the statement that America is a “center/left” nation.  I think it would be slightly to the right of center.  But reasonable people can disagree and it is, after all, a subjective assessment.  It would be hard for me to believe that Americans, in general, are comfortable with compelled equality of outcome, but I am certain that they would be appalled if others were not being given equal opportunity.

       

       

    • #3470
      AvatarNeodymium60
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      If you had a choice between freedom and equality, which would you take?   (old Milton Friedman question).

    • #3472
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      In CA, it clearly is center/left, and probably on the NE coast and Washington as well. Oregon is off the charts left, but more on that later. I’d imagine, the South, the Midwest, and the Southwest are more center/right. So center/right vs center/left is all from one’s vantage point.

      Now for Oregon, with it’s passage of legalizing cocaine, heroin, and other hard drugs, the push for no prisons and no police, they’ve completely lost it. It’s so bad now, even left leaning sports talk show guys are openly ridiculing the state. Tolbert, Kruger and Brooks yesterday were crushing Oregon’s ridiculousness, even to the point that they wouldn’t allow their kids to go to school there and they would think twice about visiting the state, even driving through. Actually, they were pretty funny with their abuse.

      As for Neo’s question, I would choose freedom. With freedom, I could also push for equality. With equality, I might not be free.

    • #3476
      AvatarCornfed
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      A more complex choice would be between equity and equality.  This prompts me to examine my spiritual values.  Neither is an absolute preference.

    • #3479
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      The operative word is ‘center’. The question is complicated by the fact that the center has shifted much to the Left in my lifetime. No one (speaking slightly hyperbolically) believes a woman’s place is in the home any more, or that homosexuality is taboo, or in actual racism. Everyone did, when I was a kid.

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

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