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    • #3484
      Avatargpn38
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      Fight like hell in every court, prove any evidence of cheating .  Then if still out ,Orange should gracefully concede and spend the next four years doing a Soros but to fix elections. Democracy is useless if the election process is perceived to be flawed .

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    • #3487
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      I agree, but what you asking of Trump is outside his wheelhouse.  I expect he will be much like Clinton, whining about the loss for the next 4 years.

    • #3488
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      The litigation will almost certainly backfire (as it has in Philadelphia), because fraud on a scale sufficient to change the outcome is a logistical impossibility.

      Concede gracefully, and live to fight another day. Only for Trump . . . there isn’t going to be another day. The voters sent a message of moderation on Election Day. Welcome back to the Party of George Will and Mitt Romney, with a nod to the hawks.

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

      • #3489
        LegendLegend
        Keymaster

        Didn’t trump get more votes than in 2016?   Hardly a repudiation. He was always the underdog.

        still, I don’t think This is something he could do.

        all that said, I believe the trump phenomenon will change politics for then better. Mainly it has opened people’s eyes to the games being played for their votes and to keep power structures in place.

        A trump loss is a huge win for the entrenched bureaucracy and its patrons regardless of color. That bad for all of us.

        Maybe somebody could pick up Trump’s mantle without the rough edge.

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        Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

      • #3498
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
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        “Concede gracefully, and live to fight another day.”

        What a silly thought…from a lawyer?  There is no doubt there were constitutional violations at the state level in several states.

        As you well know, the courts, other than Judge Emmitt Sullivan’s, are strictly limited to the settlement of disputes between parties that come before the court.

        This is an opportunity to investigate and improve our election integrity. As you well know, it’s been 20 years since the last go at this. That process in 2000 asserted important equal protection obligations that strictly limited the influence of the politicians who sought to pervert  the vote counting.

        Absent aggressive investigations and litigation my kids will be very much like the cardboard cut out “fans” that now populate football stadiums…truly meaningless “observers” of the games played by our political class.

        And one last thought of a similar nature, I profoundly hope Orange appoints a special counsel with a BROAD charter to investigate Hunter Biden, the broader Biden family and the money flows so any conflicts of interest/money laundering/pay to play policy is exposed.

        “Concede gracefully”, no thank you. There is too much work yet to do and the opportunity has presented itself.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #3490
      AvatarNeodymium60
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      Legend, he got  7 million more votes this time.  He lost despite having 70,000,000 voters who were passionate about his re-election.

      Speculating now.  I think Trump will exhaust his legal options and leave because he owes it to those voters as Al Gore correctly did.   But for those who continue to underestimate Trump, I think the worst is yet to come specifically for the Milktoast Republican Party of  Willard Romney and John McCain.  Republicans who really admire big government, the status quo and big campaign contributions for re-election.

      Think back to Ross Perot who got 20% of the vote as a 3rd party candidate in 1992 with almost 20,000,000 votes under the Reform Party.   Trump got 70,000,000 this week.  Most who now think they got screwed.   It no longer matters what really happened in the vote count if anything.

      When you can draw enormous crowds who are willing to risk Covid and wait all day in freezing conditions just to see the man they believe in, he’s not about to call it a day. Not in his DNA.

      How many of those 70,000,000 would join a newly formed political party under the Trump brand in time for the mid-term elections in 2022?  What have they got to lose?  Willard Romney?  If Perot got 20,000,000 votes Trump can double it for starters. I think we may see something like that.  The beltway political class may be in for a big surprise.

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    • #3491
      Avatargpn38
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      Do a “tweet” shadow government and run again in four years…

      when we are all confined remind us that you didn’t force us to stay in

      when unemployment is stuck at 8% remind us that it was at 5.3 pre COVID

      when Iran fucks with us in the gulf remind us that it never happened when you were prez.

      • #3501
        MickMick
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        Do a “tweet” shadow government and run again in four years… when we are all confined remind us that you didn’t force us to stay in when unemployment is stuck at 8% remind us that it was at 5.3 pre COVID when Iran fucks with us in the gulf remind us that it never happened when you were prez.

        I was thinking along the same lines.  I think the next four years are going to be rough, politically.  Harris and Biden (yes, in that order), now think they have a mandate because the had THE! MOST! VOTES! EVER!  Well, the guy they (arguably) beat had the second most.  And despite Biden’s lip service, most of what he’s saying will be to repudiate Trump, not accommodate his voters.  It took Clinton a while to figure out that he didn’t have a landslide.  We’ll see how long it takes Biden.  And that doesn’t even factor into account Plan B-, a President Harris.  A very unlikeable person…there was a reason she only got 129 votes in the New Hampshire Democratic primary, and Trump had 1,200 write-in votes and Tulsi Gabbard had nearly 10,000 votes.

        And let’s not forget that the Progressives are looming, with their Dolt-In-Chief, AOC, who fundamentally repudiated the help of John Kasich and Republicans who would reach across the aisle:

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ends-truce-by-warning-incompetent-democratic-party

        AOC claims the Dems will lose big in the mid-terms in 2022 if they don’t put Progressives in top Federal seats.  Oh, I hope, I hope, I hope they do.  The disaster that will happen, the discarding of Biden.  It’ll be great!

        I looooved that Joe Biden brought Hunter Biden on stage with him, a gigantic screw you to people who were concerned about Hunter’s problems (concerns of the Dems, too, BTW).  Nothing like flaunting your perfidy in front of a bamboozled American electorate.

        One last thing: Despite nearly four years’ worth of invented-from-thin-air impeachment run by Clinton supporters, despite the Elites all backing Biden (and I’m talking the Tech Elite, Media Elite, Wall Street Elite, Left Elite, Right Elite), I hope the Lefties understand one set-in-stone fact: without the once-in-a-century pandemic and Trump’s historic-self-immolation and mismanagement, Trump would have won re-election in a landslide.  Think about that as you install your government, Lefties.

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