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Shall we play a game? Let’s guess what television shows will out-draw the hearing in the ratings.
Playoff hockey and basketball will kick off at 8pm EDT. Those should easily out-draw the aggregate network ratings (despite being on cable). Will Tucker Carlson best the hearings in the ratings? Will a rerun or a reality show (only live on the East Coast) get better ratings than the hearings?
I will give Tucker a 25% chance of outdrawing the over the air networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC). I will give Fox local news and whatever they choose to air a 15% chance of out-drawing the other three networks combined (harder to get hard and fast numbers for local news between markets, especially with staggered programming across time zones).
Will a rerun of “The Office” out-draw the hearings?
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Pretty serious stuff and pretty impressive presentation.
The GOP would have done well to treat Donald Trump as radioactive after 1/6. There was simply nothing to be said in defense or mitigation.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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[quote quote=6167]Pretty serious stuff and pretty impressive presentation. The GOP would have done well to treat Donald Trump as radioactive after 1/6. There was simply nothing to be said in defense or mitigation.[/quote]
. . . and mean while, Rome burns. What have the Dems done in 15 months? What have they put forward in years? All they seem to do is investigate, not to get to the truth, but to tarnish the other side with completely biased material.
Legislating would be a novel idea, but they’ve no clue what to do or how to do it, other than focus on proper pronouns, rewriting history, opening the borders and giving us $8 a gallon gas.
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The Democrats have done nothing but negative stuff, and would be in epic trouble . . . were it not for the GOP idiots who remain loyal to that narcissistic felon. Trump replaces Aaron Burr as the worst member of the executive in history.
So dump him. Stop calling the opposition RINO’s. Trump’s the RINO. It’s an idiot personality cult, and its center figure has literally committed treason. Move on.
Then line up the canons against Biden.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1535299526508130305
Huh. Much better than I thought for the networks. I imagine they will easily beat Tucker (3-4M viewer average) combined. On a one on one basis, I guess we’ll see.
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[quote quote=6172]Trump’s the RINO. It’s an idiot personality cult, and its center figure has literally committed treason. Move on.
Then line up the canons against Biden.[/quote]
I love internet hyperbole. God forbid we start from the position that Trump was one of the best presidents ever. Suppose we prioritize performance vs atmospherics? Economic performance supports that notion. Labor market participation at all time highs. Minority unemployment at historic lows. Wage growth rapidest in the middle class. {Achieved without a wealth tax no less.}. Energy independence with the attendant impact on growth and our balance of payments. Tariffs on China to improve the security of our supply chains. Our southern border was relatively secure. ISIS was largely eliminated. Troops returned from Iraq. No American died in Afghanistan over the last 18 months of his presidency. {That was an active war zone, no?} The Kurds were safe in Iraq. The Abraham Accords. No Russian incursions into Ukraine after their success in Crimea during the prior administration. Demands that European NATO countries pay their fair share. Warnings re energy dependence/Russian gas pipelines. A suspension of missile & weapons testing in North Korea. An effective CCP virus vaccine in under 10 months. Production of ventilators, PPE and propping up emergency hospital operations. And accomplished this as the entire town tried to frustrate his initiatives with political bull shit…for the entirety of his term in office. Two impeachments? Mueller? Comey? Clinton? Pelosi? Schiff? Vindman? There was nothing there.
Who has a better performance record during your lifetime? Obama? Bush? Clinton? Bush? Reagan? Carter? Ford? Nixon? LBJ? Kennedy? Eisenhower?
You’re entitled to place priority on demeanor, likeabilty and political skills. You can be offended by boorish behavior, confrontational style and narcissism, although I don’t think that is in anyway unique to Trump when I look back at the list of his predecessors.
But maybe Trump is/was no different than the other denizens of DC? Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union address was priceless. Maybe he fit the moment, his moment, and that facilitated his outsized policy success?
But your comment about turning the canons on Biden seems a gratuitous effort to camouflage your priorities for a president. Policy success and progress for the nation appear immaterial to you, which is of course your right. But to be so very one dimensional in your summary of Trump’s record in office positions you badly in my opinion.
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That was a truly phenomenal summary, rjnwmill. Truly. I would pick Reagan, though. He had the policies, the commitment and strength and he was a gracious human.
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My major priority for a President is that he doesn’t commit treason – that he recognizes that the miracle of the American political tradition is that power changes hands peacefully, and accommodates that tradition.
I really don’t care about Trump’s triumphs as President. He wasn’t close to a great President – he undercut everything he did by the chaos and needless controversy that he created. His attitude toward the 2020 Election borders on the psychotic. He’s spent tens of millions looking for fraud in the election, found nothing, was told that fact by every sensible person in the Administration, and yet he persists. Persons with a personality order that pronounced are not qualified for any office. (Just why and when you bought into this absolutely absurd personality cult is something for you to figure out. Good luck.)
And he committed treason – publicly and indisputably. Sort of a disqualifying act, don’t you think?
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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GR, I remember your “pretty boy” critiques of Obama.
Trump is almost exactly the opposite. Not pretty at all.
I’m not informed enough on what Trump actively did on Jan 6. I can tell you that when the sitting president attends a protest or rally, and the protest or rally gets out of hand, he has some responsibility no matter what. What I can’t abide is the “coup” or other nonsense. The guy was president. He wouldn’t have needed a bunch of fringe weirdos to do a frontal assault on the Capitol to accomplish a coup.
Jan 6 was an abomination that should never have happened in a civil society. But it was no reichstag fire or storming of the bastille. It was a protest that turned into a low level civil disturbance. Certainly it was nothing approaching the protests and riots against u.s. agencies in Portland and other cities during the prior year. No fires set, no significant graffiti, etc.. I mean, holy smoke, remember the CHOP? Jan 6 may have been the most respectful insurrection of all time.
All the Jan 6 noise is just to do what Trump’s second impeachment couldn’t do: make him ineligible to run again. The dem’s are terrified of that.
that said, I think the gop is better off leaving trump behind. You and I agree on that. However it’s important to remember that trump may go down as the most “American” president of the past 50 to 100 years. He was more like the average American than any exec, and that’s why people respond to him. Brash, aggressive, multiple wives, talks about banging young chicks, bankruptcies and debt…he’s way closer to Joe the plumber than any president ever and that’s saying something since he’s supposedly a billionaire.
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[quote quote=6177]My major priority for a President is that he doesn’t commit treason – that he recognizes that the miracle of the American political tradition is that power changes hands peacefully, and accommodates that tradition.
And he committed treason – publicly and indisputably. Sort of a disqualifying act, don’t you think?[/quote]
I will not defend Trump’s personality. He’s probably a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath. BUT so are most politicians. He lacks discipline, which would have saved him from many of the faults that you cited. He surrounded himself with people who told him what he wanted to hear. Although he had a better BS detector (probably from years dealing with high level sociopaths) than most, in the end, hearing what you want to hear releases dopamine, which I would argue is the most addictive substance of all.
But let’s apply your filter to *sigh* Obama, H-Clinton, and Biden. They allowed the levers of government to be used to further a false political attack during an election. The Alfa Bank thing was intentionally falsified data generated by political operatives, and knowingly false. Hillary tweeted it after authorizing Sussman and others (Robby Mook admitted this under oath) to use the media and the FBI to launch a political dirty trick. When the attack didn’t work, they encouraged the continued the use of federal law enforcement to pursue the Russian collusion hoax, and be part of an attempted coup (impeachment). Despite the Sussman acquittal due to jury nullification, the evidence is d–ning that the Hillary campaign used a compliant FBI (including having the FBI embedded at Perkins Coie) to launch and continue the dirtiest of dirty tricks. They used the protection of classified material to lie to the American public for three+ years (I’m looking at you, Adam Schiff). They did it knowingly, and willingly. Biden flat out authorized the unmasking of General Flynn for political purposes. Obama knew that it was all a farce, and still authorized his DOJ and FBI to keep it going. Nothing has eroded the public trust in the FBI, the DOJ, the intelligence community, or the media (and deservedly so) more than deploying the apparatus of government in pursuit of political power. GR, was that all, in your opinion, just as treasonous? Would you agree that the Russia collusion hoax was just as damaging to the Republic as questioning the election?
Treason is a strong word with a legal definition. Just like incitement. But if we are going to use the colloquial meaning, (“light treason,” perhaps for “Arrested Development” fans) then apply it equally. Don’t forget that Hillary also questioned the legitimacy of the election. There were riots in the streets at Trump’s inauguration. The difference is that there weren’t pandemic rule changes, mail-in voting, or other irregularities to point at for Hillary.
Seventy-million Trump voters and not one of them would have protested an election result that had been reliably audited. Let’s ignore the root problem today. As always.
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) June 10, 2022
GR, I agree with you on several fronts. Trump raised a ton of money to deal with election stuff. But he hired yes men and idiots to make him feel good rather than the right people. He should have deployed that money to prevent the illegal rule changes, hired better election lawyers up front, had a better ground game, and other things that may have made a difference. And where did all that money actually go? Into the farce that Giuliani and Powell put on, and not the independent efforts that bore fruit in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. What Trump did to the Georgia Senate runoff election was politically disqualifying behavior, but that’s my opinion, and it isn’t treason.
Regardless of the end result, however, can you acknowledge that the things that happened in plain sight in the states / cities at issue would raise suspicions in the mind of a neutral observer? And the inability to definitively address or explain these issues is a problem going forward?
I don’t know where you live, but here in California, the election laws are so lax that no one knows what’s going on. The primary that happened last Tuesday won’t be certified for over a week. During the recall, I received a voter registration notification for the previous owner of my house, who moved to Azerbaijan two years before the pandemic. Her son said she didn’t register to vote, and she indicated that she did not register. I ended up getting a ballot for her. Who knows whether she voted in the recall or not.
Contrast California with the recent Georgia election law changes. What was the reaction to strengthening verification measures? A coordinated media campaign to call it “voter suppression” and “Jim Crow 2.0.” Did you believe the media narrative? (I’m not addressing this to any specific member of this forum, I’m asking generally). Did you simply accept the speculation on what the voter verification laws would do to minority voting? Did you support Stacey Abrams’ and Raphael Warnock’s calls for boycotts? Did you care when MLB moved the All-Star game, and when minority-owned businesses and polling showed a negative reaction, USA Today let Stacey Abrams stealth edit her editorial? Did you follow up to see what effect the laws had on the most recent primary? Ask yourself, did the actual evidence change your opinion?
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I have to disagree.
It was very much like the Reichstag Fire, or the Bastille, one principal difference being that the institutions of the nation were strong enough to withstand it. Even so, it was a near thing. If the mob had been able to seize a hostage, Pelosi or Pence, the consequences would have been serious. I can guarantee you Trump would have tried to negotiate his way into a second term. It would have been awful.
The other difference is that this was the President of the United States leading the charge, with no regard for the most sacred tradition of this nation, the one he should have been duty bound to protect. And he didn’t have a leg to stand on, then or now. It makes no difference. He is convinced that he was cheated out of an election that he lost, fair and square.
I have no use for the Democratic progressives. Any sane Republican should waltz into the White House. The colossal fallacies of its energy policy, its obsession with identity politics, and all the rest, are being exposed day by day. Its only asset is that, by the damned luck of the devil, the spokesman for the opposition is this self-obsessed, semi-psychotic traitor. (So he was an effective executive? So Mussolini made the trains run on time. Get your priorities straight.)
I never thought I’d have any use for Andrew Jackson, but Jackson would have hung Trump two days after taking office. My cynical view is that the only reason Trump has NOT been indicted is that Biden wants him viable for 2024. He’s hoping to gain a second term on another Lesser Evil platform. He might succeed, if people who should know better don’t come to their senses.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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Here’s the definition of treason, per the US Penal Code.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. 18 USC 2851.
You can make a colorable argument that storming the Congress with an aim of preventing the tally of votes from the Electoral College is ‘levying war’. I think the argument succeeds because of the interference with the essential task of government. But reasonable minds could disagree.
However, the charge of seditious conspiracy (from the same chapter of the USC) is right on the money.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. 18 USC 2384.
None of the other Presidential and gubernatorial actions comes remotely close. (Stacy Abrams made an ass of herself, but she did not organize a mob to march on the Georgia capital.)
Trump should have been indicted and tried on treason and sedition charges a year ago. As I wrote in another post, the only reason it hasn’t happened is that Biden needs him.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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“Trump should have been indicted and tried on treason and sedition charges a year ago. As I wrote in another post, the only reason it hasn’t happened is that Biden needs him.”
So after 2 failed impeachments and The Mueller Investigation, now you are saying that with a very strong case for treason and sedition, Democrats are going to let that slide because Biden needs Trump for 2024?
Bidens’ own party doesn’t want Biden to run. How do you square that? Kamala who?
Democrats won’t indict Trump because they don’t have a case. What they do have is a made for TV Jan 6 presentation of information that has been edited or omitted . The average Democrat is not feeling too hot right now so the Jan 6 show might help a little. I’d rather see him go to trial and have the matter settled. But, they will kick that can down the road to the AG.
I do expect to see the Republicans impeach Biden next year.
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Come on. The election was audited to a fair-thee-well.
I followed the litigation commenced just after the election, which was necessary. A tremendous amount of money was spent by Trump – and he found absolutely nothing. The declarations were absurdly inadequate. By mid December, tame AG’s were filing syfy lawsuits – Texas v. Pennsylvania, for heaven’s sake.
Barr told Trump in early December he didn’t have a case, so did one staff member after another. Proof doesn’t matter to him. Remember that year long highly embarrassing audit in Arizona? Looking for ballots made out of Asian materials? Trying to subpoena the ordinary routers used for county business in Pima County because there was absolutely nothing?
Paranoid suspicion against Dominion result in a slander lawsuit that sends all of the confident Trump spokespersons rushing into hiding with procedural defenses – because of course they are quite ordinary machines, run by local precinct workers, and tested at the beginning and end of election day. At the end of the day, it was the Trump accusers who ran away from a decision on the merits, not Dominion.
The election was audited and re-audited. This is a case of people refusing to believe proof. The cause of course is Trump. The harm he has done to the GOP is incredible.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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Fascinating. With regard to an actual plan to kidnap Pence or Pelosi, what evidence do you have to support your speculation as to what was going to happen? You cannot use what Trump said privately to advisors when he was blowing off steam or discussing alternative courses of action. You must have actual evidence from riot participants, indicted seditious conspirators, or public statements on January 6. The evidence must be direct, not “dog whistles” or “implied,” or “people could have interpreted this to mean….” (based on the legal standard for incitement).
I agree completely that everyone who assaulted a police officer, picked up a weapon and hit a peace officer, or even picked up a weapon should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Even the people who appeared to make a coordinated effort to incite the riot / get people to storm the Capitol should be prosecuted (although it appears they left the “rally” much earlier than the words cited by the committee). I do not agree that there is any evidence of a coordinated effort to actually kidnap / hold hostage Pence or Pelosi.
If you cite “zip-tie guy,” that has been debunked… by the prosecutors.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riots-zip-tie-guy-190644133.html
Also, the one person who apparently publicly claimed that he wanted to take hostages, Larry Rendall Brock Jr., has not been charged with anything of the sort. There was testimony that another guy, Reffitt, talked about taking hostages. But Reffitt’s friend, Hardie, admitted that Reffitt was joking about taking Pelosi, and he never meant to go through with it (although he went into the Capitol). Reffitt was convicted of disorderly conduct and obstructing an official proceeding.
Did you see me calling for others to be charged with treason or seditious conspiracy? No. I was simply pointing out that the actual actions of Obama, H-Clinton, and Biden were more damaging to the Republic than anything Trump said when lashing out. In general terms, most people seem to agree with me that the riot wasn’t an “insurrection,” and that it wasn’t a serious effort to seize the levers of power.
I agree with you that Trump had it within his power to stop the riot. I also believe that his abandonment of the lower level people who are still in custody for just going into the Capitol shows that he has major character flaws. Note that I have no sympathy for anyone who hit an officer, or did more than just wander around the Capitol.
I completely agree with you that Trump should have spent his money on preventing the rule changes that could have stopped fraud (see court rulings in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania). He spent those millions on the lunatic fringe sideshow (as I explicitly noted in my original response by citing Giuliani and Powell. Should have thrown in Lin Wood, as well), rather than legitimate challenges to how the election was conducted. The sideshows allowed the media to concentrate on them, and distract from real, systemic issues with universal mail in balloting, voting by proxy, no ID verification, ballot harvesting, etc., that occurred in 2020. The media concentration on the sideshow convinced most of America to take the position that there aren’t problems with our election system. But ask yourself, why was the Georgia bill necessary?
I don’t really have an opinion regarding auditing the election, other than to note that the audits were meant to see if the submitted ballots were counted correctly, not whether the voters actually submitted the ballots, or if ballots were filled out fraudulently, which is the main problem with the rule changes.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/2/wisconsin-probe-finds-2020-election-riddled-nursin/
I don’t know whether anything would have changed the outcome of the election. I don’t care, honestly. I just have some understanding of why people would be upset, and why they may have formed the beliefs they hold. I would like a reversion to a system where there would be a paper trail that could be audited, rather than the systems that are in place today. That’s also why I hate the current California system. It seems designed to be opaque and subject to abuse. For those interested in why systems matter, I recommend “The Battle of Athens,” a book about a 1946 seditious conspiracy (gentle ribbing here) against a local election machine in Tennessee. When the voting rules are bad, people should demand better systems.
This is a roundabout way of saying that the way to prevent both sides from continuing to undermine the legitimacy of elections is to adopt better systems that are not subject to abuse. Georgia did it, and look at how the media and Democrats reacted. I hope the experience in Georgia undermines once and for all the “voter suppression” narrative that prevents implementation of better, more efficient systems. The actual academic evidence shows that voter ID, for example, does not have a suppressive effect on voting. But people still trot out materials from Priorities USA and the media accepts their surveys as “evidence” all the time.
Other countries, and individual states, have implemented good election systems where the results can be quickly tabulated. As a result, people trust the elections, and participate at higher rates. Look at this, copy and pasted from the California SOS website for the primary election on June 7:
Election results are updated as often as new data is received from county elections offices after the polls close at 8:00 p.m. on Election Day. Ballots continue to be counted after Election Day during the canvass period; county elections officials must report final official results to the Secretary of State by July 8, 2022. The Secretary of State will certify the results on July 15, 2022.
As of today, turnout is at 21.4%. That is on pace to break the 2014 record low of 25.17%. Even the last gubernatorial election in 2018 got 37.54%.
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“And he committed treason – publicly and indisputably.”
Indisputably? And he was convicted of this when? This is gross distortion and hyperbole. I think it can be, and has been, disputed quite successfully. Only in your narrow mind, where you can pick the priorities and pick and choose “facts” (as the Jan 6 Committee did last night) is Trump a traitor. I wish he would choose not to run and live on forever in the fevered minds of those obssessed by their hatred of him.
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GR:
“He wasn’t close to a great President – he undercut everything he did by the chaos and needless controversy that he created.”
You’ve got yourself painted in the corner yet again and now there’s no way for you to claim intellectual honesty or analytical integrity.
You can’t defend this statement after the results from the partisan Mueller investigation, years of political drip, drip, drip of knowingly false narratives about Russian collusion, the Sussman trial record. (Acquitted because the foreman thought there was more important stuff going on in DC?) As a trial attorney I know you’re no stranger to jury nullification. Focus on the evidence that was introduced at trial please? Then we have the prior plea about falsifying a record for subsequent submission to the FISA court in support of a subpoena. What about Schiff’s committee “investigation” of a knowingly false political narrative? Nadler’s committee? You can’t suggest that Trump created the “chaos”? Your statement above is personally disqualifying? Do you believe Trump ”created” the chaos…or that instead he was obligated to push through the septic tank that is our politics today if he wanted to discharge the duties of his office.
And please don’t put words in my mouth/posting. I’m in no way suggesting that the Trump style was the only way to deal with bull shit political opponents or a compromised media. I’m sure someone else could succeed with a different personal style. What I am positing to you is that the record here is abundantly clear. Trump’s approach worked, much to the benefit of the country. Trump’s atmospherics facilitated results far superior to the pathological political crook he ran against in 2016 or, and I still can’t believe this, the senile incompetent who beat him from his basement in 2020. And this last statement, to me, is game set and match relative to the power of the forces aligned against Trump in today’s politics. Pray tell, how would you overcome such foes…a smile and a pat on the ass? Would you capitulate and allow them to control the agenda? We’ve seen the failure of that approach far to often, no?
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Hmmmm…who to believe…GR or former AG Bill Barr…
Sorry GR, but I’m inclined to believe that Barr perhaps has a better understanding of the statutes you quote, the record re January 6th that has been produced to date and the standards for a prosecution of a former President under said statutes. But hey, I could be wrong.
But you of course can hang out in your corner spouting pronouncements like this. You do seem comfy there. Good for you.
“Trump should have been indicted and tried on treason and sedition charges a year ago. As I wrote in another post, the only reason it hasn’t happened is that Biden needs him.”
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307626327112#sp=show-clips
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“If the mob had been able to seize a hostage, Pelosi or Pence, the consequences would have been serious. I can guarantee you Trump would have tried to negotiate his way into a second term.”
Probably the most ridiculous comment I’ve read in a long time. GR, are you actually Outsider Fan from TOS?
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[quote quote=6197]“If the mob had been able to seize a hostage, Pelosi or Pence, the consequences would have been serious. I can guarantee you Trump would have tried to negotiate his way into a second term.” Probably the most ridiculous comment I’ve read in a long time. GR, are you actually Outsider Fan from TOS?[/quote]
GR assumes Trump was in control of the mob and could make this happen.
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The endless rationalizations are amusing and amazing.
Did Trump have control of the mob? We’ll never know, because what he did do, for more than three hours, was remain silent and express his approval of what was happening to a number of (former) allies. He’ll die on that. He either stays silent and lets the implication of approval stand, or takes the stand and dies on cross.
Would Trump have demanded negotiations if his (sic) mob had captured a hostage? Before the fact, I would never have believed that he would insist that the election was stolen AFTER litigation, AFTER extensive investigation – would insist on wilder and wilder lawsuits, suggest the Vice President should abandon his polling duty (this in the absence of ANY evidence of malfeasance). This is a behavior that is near psychotic, and, at the least, a narcissism so profound it should disqualify him from public office.
So don’t tell me he wouldn’t have negotiated for a different election result. Based on his actual behavior, his conviction of righteousness based on nothing but his ego, Trump was capable of anything. Don’t tell me he would have stopped short of this or that. He showed no restraint of any kind.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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I too have an occasional memory lapse GR. It’s age. We can’t fight it.
But just for the record, let’s make note of the fact that Trump offered Pelosi & Bowser 20,000 national guard troops to enhance Capital and city security days in advance of January 6th. His offer was declined. Let’s not forget that, okay?
If you were in his position, if your efforts at risk mitigation had been dismissed, what would you do for three hours as the shit hit the fan? After the fact is a little late, no?
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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Your argument on restraint might resonate had there been no hyper-partisan Russian collusion impeachment, Mueller report, and post Presidency show impeachment. And now a Jan 6 hearing show trial. It’s too bad they didn’t indict to give the public a sense of a serious fair hearing and get the facts on the record for history to decide.
You see, Jan 6 did not occur in a vacuum. The leftists showed no restraint what so ever ever from the moment he was elected. From social media to academia to Congress to the wonton destruction and looting of many cities with full support of many of the hearing committee members.
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[quote quote=6200]The endless rationalizations are amusing and amazing. [/quote]
No rationalization from me at all. Just a comment regarding your “guarantee” how Trump would behave after a zero chance hypothetical.
How this for rationalization, Trump was indeed right. The election was stolen. That said, he pointed at the wrong culprits. It was stolen by the tacit collusion amongst the media, the social media giants and the Dems. “By any means necessary”, right? How about promoting stories they knew were bogus in order to hurt Trump, and apparently in many cases, creating said bogus stories themselves. Then, they buried stories that could hurt Biden they knew to be true, or were afraid might be true; and, even worse, actively silenced those who tried to seek the truth about them.
Very Orwellian, very, very successful, and very, very, very scary.
https://thepostmillennial.com/flashback-16-of-biden-voters
Welcome to the New World Order.
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