Still Believe in MSM Polls?

[Rocky17]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2020_generic_congressional_vote-6722.html

All that BS for a year in advance of the elections and the Republicans will end up with a gain of 12 or 13 seats in the House.  They held or will hold the Senate after having 23 seats up for grabs vs. the Dems 10 seats and yet, they want us to believe Trump lost.  Right.

[BeyondThunderdome]

Trump did lose. I understand there were some “shy Trump voters”, but I think you underestimate the amount of conservatives who genuinely really can’t stand Trump: the so-called “deep state” type Republicans, never Trumpers, so-called RINOs, etc. There were an unprecedented number of such people. They voted down-ticket for Republicans, and thus Congressional and other races still had a strong Republican showing. But there were an unprecedented number of conservatives who refused to support Trump.

The ones we know about are just the tip of the iceberg: people like Lex, Carly Fiorina, Jeff Flake, Charlie Baker, John Bolton, Michael Steele, John Kasich, George Will, the Bush family, the McCain family, probably Romney, The Lincoln Project, etc. I have never seen anything like it.

And remember, Trump’s approval rating never got above the mid 40’s and was much lower most of the time. Trump literally has a cult following, so there are a lot of people who will fill up his rallies, drive pick-up trucks around with flags, wear MAGA hats, etc. They make a lot of noise, but that doesn’t mean Trump is a popular President.

Conversely, there was a lot of talk about “sleepy Joe”. I have a Trump loving friend who liked to compare Trump’s rallies to Biden’s and implied that was evidence that Biden couldn’t possibly win. But I assure you that there was a HUGE amount of energy and excitement on the Democratic side to defeat Trump. Even many of the Bernie supporters held their nose and voted for Biden.

Just look at the celebrations across the country on the Saturday after the election. There were unprecedented spontaneous partying in the streets in cities everywhere. This wasn’t some staged or planned thing like the Million MAGA March. These are the people in my circles. Their excitement and relief was real. It was all they talked about for years — voting out Trump. They didn’t care who was on the ticket. “Any functional adult” was a popular slogan. These people got out the vote like never before. They were lining up weeks before the election for early voting with lines stretching far and wide in unprecedented numbers.

I’m not surprised Trump lost. I’m only surprised it wasn’t a larger margin.

NO MALARKEY

[rjnwmill]

Narrative not analysis.  “Jeff Flake” caused Trump’s loss?

Read Rocky’s link in another thread that shows democratic turnout gains dwarfed population growth in cities in SWING STATES.  The Morris analysis focuses on differential growth between population changes since the Obama win in 2012 and changed voter turnout in 2020.

Would you please provide a link that confirms that Carly Fiorina, Jeff Flake, Charlie Baker, John Bolton, Michael Steele, John Kasich, George Will, the Bush family, the McCain family & probably Romney moved to Detroit to register for 2020?  Hmmm

Narrative is not productive if our election processes are being perverted, is it?  But you are a talented story teller.

Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

[BeyondThunderdome]

Hi RJ,

No, Jeff Flake did not cause Trump’s loss. Please don’t twist what I said. I said people like him were the tip of an iceberg. It belied a much larger phenomenon that is unprecedented in any election in my lifetime. I’ve never heard of so many people who were well known figures and/or leaders of their party refusing to vote for their party’s candidate. For every Jeff Flake, McCain, Bush, Steele, John Kasich, etc. there were no doubt untold numbers of conservatives you’ve never heard of who refused to vote for Trump.

Here’s the link you asked for.

I have not ready every post on this board (I work crazy long hours and have many other responsibilities), so you’ll have to point me to the link you’re referring to. I did read many of Rocky’s posts and many of the links in his posts. But the “Morris” analysis doesn’t ring a bell. I tried googling it and only found an analysis that didn’t suggest fraud, so I assume it’s not the one you’re alluding to.  Never mind. I found it and responded to Dick Morris’ “analysis”.

I remember Rocky posted something about Wisconsin that I read but didn’t have time to respond to. It was something about a record turn-out of 90% (Rocky apparently rounded up; the actual claim was 89%). I did look into that and it was not surprisingly false. Wisconsin allows anyone over 18 to just show up and vote (same day registration). So historically they have counted voter turnout based on eligible voters. The election this year was high — for reasons I stated above, among others — but not the highest in recent history. It was basically in line with recent numbers and lower than the turnout just four elections ago:

2020 — 72.3%
2016 — 67.3%
2012 — 70.4%
2008 — 69.2%
2004 — 72.9%

There were also claims making the rounds that the numbers in this election violated Benfords law. Not sure if Rocky posted on that, but that has been debunked as well.

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NO MALARKEY

[rjnwmill]

BTD, I read the suit filed by Sydney Powell re the conduct of the Georgia election. There are some assertions that counting was open to shenanigans without evidence confirming either that the tampering actually occurred or the actual impact on the final count. However it includes discovery requests to determine if there is supporting evidence.

Nonetheless there are straightforward matters of law that are included in the filing. They detail inappropriate/unconstitutionalacts that taint 2x, 3x, 4x the number of votes required to change the outcome.

Your suggestions that “The Mormons Did It” won’t feed the bulldog…unless Stacey Abrams & Marc Elias are Mormon?

Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

[BeyondThunderdome]

RJ, I never implied “the Mormons did it”. You are conflating or confusing two of my posts.

NO MALARKEY

[Rocky17]

LOL, Bob.  BTD is a straight shooter whose opinion deserves consideration, but the facts about statistical deviations we are aware of, not including the speculation that has strong bases for having occurred, are alone enough to convince me as a citizen, not just as a conservative, that this was an un American theft of an important elected office and deserves scrutiny and correction.  If not, Biden has bigger problems at home than overseas with people like us and at least half the voting population.

What makes me sure I am correct is the strong effort to associate Trump`s use of legitimate means to correct an impropriety with accusations of destroying democracy.  I wonder how that compares to illegal unmaskings, the Russian collusion hoax, the deep state lies and manufacturing of a phony impeachment charge, the cover up of wrongdoing by Clinton, Biden, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, Strozk, Paige and so many others, the horrible lying and unfounded accusations of Adam Schiff and the prosecution of people like Stone and Flynn for basically nothing.

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