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    • #7033
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      Imagine the Pandora’s box this opens.

      Now, any DA looking to make a name for themself can indict a major political figure.

      “Lock her up” writ large.

      Do I think Trump is a criminal?  Maybe.  I do think that there is a case to be made of Berea’s “show me the man and I will show you the crime.”

       

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      Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

    • #7034
      johnnyo53johnnyo53
      Participant

      Demtards don’t care. They’ve weaponized the DOJ and FBI, how could this pissant Manhattan D.A. ensure his re-election or elevate himself to higher office?  We are now a banana republic.

      “I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?" "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet. You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times." It was all true what he was saying. And yet, I

    • #7036
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
      Participant

      The deranged opposition to Trump has done some extremely deranged things, but this leads the list. You’d think the party that includes Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy would know better.

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #7037
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      It is as it always has been. Protect the Left. Damn the Right. Granted this is a bit more egregious, but hey, the Biden’s will most certainly skate as did the Kennedys and the Clintons.

    • #7038
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      For the lawyers out there, what is the legal difference between paying hush money and settling out of court?

       

    • #7039
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      A third point. Like Trump’s politics (for the most part), don’t like the guy. Would love DeSantis or Haley to be the nominee. Unfortunately, this only pushes Trump to the fore and emboldens him and his stature. Bummer.

       

    • #7040
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      A tweet from the former Speaker of the House:

      The Grand Jury has acted upon the facts and the law.

      No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence.

      Hopefully, the former President will peacefully respect the system, which grants him that right.

      What a moron. Prove innocence? What happened to the requirement to prove guilt without a shadow of doubt? Welcome to the New World Order!

    • #7041
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
      Participant

      The Speaker of the House should learn about the principles of selective prosecution. Because the rule of law sure doesn’t seem to apply to political friends – or, indeed, to anyone but Donald Trump.

      Which means, if you’re keeping score, that this isn’t the rule of law at all, but a political vendetta.

      The resources of the Democratic Party in keeping Trump front and center are apparently limitless.

       

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

      • #7045
        Avatarrogpodge
        Participant

        Explains Impeachment 1 and 2!

    • #7043
      AvatarCornfed
      Participant

      If somehow Trump doesn’t get the nomination and Biden is the Dem candidate, there are a dozen GOP candidates who can likely trounce Biden.

    • #7044
      AvatarBrix
      Participant

      [quote quote=7039]A third point. Like Trump’s politics (for the most part), don’t like the guy. Would love DeSantis or Haley to be the nominee. Unfortunately, this only pushes Trump to the fore and emboldens him and his stature. Bummer.[/quote]

       

      +1

    • #7046
      MickMick
      Participant

      A third point. Like Trump’s politics (for the most part), don’t like the guy. Would love DeSantis or Haley to be the nominee. Unfortunately, this only pushes Trump to the fore and emboldens him and his stature. Bummer.

      +1

      Same.

      But I don’t see a candidate who has the charisma of Trump, and can sift the winning ideas and policies out of the personality chaff that Trump represents. Trump is fundamentally polarizing and unelectable, however much his ideas make sense. But DeSantis (or Haley, or Pence, or Youngkin, or Ramaswamy, or Cheney, or Noem, or…) doesn’t have the right mix. I don’t see any of them rising to the fore and beating the cadaver-like Biden, whose list of policy failures are arresting:

      Rampant inflation with destroyed personal finances for Middle America. Border crisis and immigration chaos. Ballooning debt. Banking failures and banking crisis. Humiliating departure from Afghanistan and abandoning our allises and many billions of dollars’ worth of equipment there, to be taken over by the Taliban. Summer of domestic terror, defunding police departments and skyrocketing crime and violence in our large, Dem-led cities. Explosion of homelessness. Anti-American energy policies. Biden scandals with Hunter and his own retention of classified documents. Woke administrative state. No return to normalcy and portraying half the country — the Red half — as evil monsters (Biden took HRC’s “Deplorables” comment and really turned it into something).

    • #7047
      Avatarrogpodge
      Participant

      1. Everything is fine in paradise, it’s Texas and Florida that have become havens for authoritarian despots who lock people down, stifle speech and travel, cause inflation and homelessness and crime. We need more government and legal action to squash misinformation and individual freedom fascist policies. Marxist and Communist policies are okay, because they are in the name of progress / democracy.
      • This reply was modified 3 years ago by Avatarrogpodge.
    • #7049
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      From GR – “The resources of the Democratic Party in keeping Trump front and center are apparently limitless.”

      Dems hate Trump, but they can’t survive without him.  During the last election, every left leaning candidate in WA and OR was running against Donald Trump.  I doubt it was much different across the country.

      Nope, the dems need Trump.  Who have they got? Bernie, Biden and Liz? Mayor Pete? Headboard Harris? Newsome? Without Trump, anyone running has to run on their record.  In 2019, you had a choice of Trump or another.  80 Million voters, faced with a Hobson’s choice of Trump or the other guy, decided not to vote for Trump.

      It could happen again…

       

    • #7050
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
      Participant

      Mick:

      Trump is fundamentally polarizing and unelectable, however much his ideas make sense. But DeSantis (or Haley, or Pence, or Youngkin, or Ramaswamy, or Cheney, or Noem, or…) doesn’t have the right mix. I don’t see any of them rising to the fore and beating the cadaver-like Biden, whose list of policy failures are arresting:”

      Mick, I fundamentally disagree with your premise. Electability is driven by the willingness and ability to game the system. Democrats have proven to be much more nimble and willing to “cheat” with ballot harvesting, selective investments in local infrastructure to drive democrat participation, the distribution of millions of ballots and the dismantling of basic voter ID provisions.

      I don’t think Trump is unelectable. Instead, he perhaps may be the most electable. To my knowledge he is the only Republican candidate regularly addressing the topic of election “cheating” and the need to beat democrats at the game.

      Do I approve of disenfranchising purposeful voters through “fraud”; hell no. But that’s where we are. These capabilities got us Biden with a record number of votes. It got us Fetterman, a totally “unelectable” candidate. And while I don’t know how George Santos won, I question whether he could have run a sophisticated ballot distribution and harvesting operation, he should not have survived a minimal opposition research effort.

      The strategy to “win” elections is coming out of the shadows. Do you think there is any Republican other than Trump capable of competing in this arena?  After all republicans stuck with Romney’s niece…the under performer from 2018, 2020 & 2022. Yea, let’s stick with a three time loser.

      I too would be okay with DeSantis or Youngkin or perhaps even Haley. But I fear there is significant electability risk, not with intentional voter turn out but with the “new” practices being integrated into voting processes.

      Exhibit 1:

      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/florida-may-rework-election-laws-let-desantis-run-president-without-resigning

      DeSantis is perhaps focused too narrowly?  You’ve got to “cheat” big Ron or go home.

      Perhaps tilting at windmills…perhaps not?

      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/signature-verification-software-used-maricopa-county-says-10-high

      • This reply was modified 3 years ago by rjnwmillrjnwmill.

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #7052
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      Beeg, agree completely. Dems have nothing except they are anti Trump. They have been failures at pretty much everything they’ve touched over  the last few decades.

      RJ, disagree, somewhat. While the Dems have certainly done some shady things at the ballot box, the whole “the election was rigged”  because of fraud/cheating doesn’t play with independents, nor really with many conservatives like me. That said, I like to say that the election was stolen, but not at the ballot box. It was stolen by the elite at big tech companies, and to some extent the media, who stifled free speech and the truth. That should be the GOPs narrative. Plenty of examples of how that happened (Labs, Fauci, Laptops, Twitter, etc), and scant few of ballot box issues.

      • #7054
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        I think we’re largely in agreement. It’s why I put cheat, fraud etc in quotes. The model employed by democrats was “legal” but the effort diluted the votes from serious citizens.

        My point is that no Republican candidates have presented a coherent plan to counter the Democrats strategies…other than Trump. And his comments are imprecise about competing for the mythical mail in voters.

        For Trump, I think this means a willingness to “cheat”.  What a shame. The 2024 election will go to the candidate who can create the most questionable votes.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #7055
      AvatarBeyondThunderdome
      Participant

      I hope there’s more to the case than meets the eye, otherwise I agree it’s a bad precedent. I don’t think any President should be above the law, but I am more concerned about his attempts to overturn the election than something like campaign finance.  Now I just need you guys to find 11,780 reasons to agree with me.

      NO MALARKEY

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