Biden Pardons Family, Fauci, and Cheney.

[cardcrimson]

I guess some people are indeed above the law. Stunning that he pardoned the family in the last minutes of his presidency, possibly even in the Rotunda while they were waiting for the inauguration to begin. . . . .

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[Mick1]

Four thoughts:

1. At a minimum, between the pardon of murderers, Biden’s family members and those targeting Trump, it justifies whoever Trump will decide to pardon.
2. When you accept a pardon, you forfeit your fifth amendment rights (1896 USSC decision). If they are subpoenaed, they have to truthfully answer any questions deemed acceptable by the court. That’s if the subject accepts the pardon. They can always turn it down (1915 USSC decision). It would be very interesting to hear Fauci talk about his financial investments in virological research in China. Would also be interesting to hear Adam Schiff’s comments on his “guaranteed proof” of Trump’s misdeeds when no such proof was admitted. Finally, I’d like to hear Milley say “Yes, I called my counterpart in China against the express commands of my Commander-in-Chief.”
3. The Trump litigation team is looking into whether there is proof that Biden had lost control of his faculties and therefore the pardons he rendered are moot and void. If you get a chance, check out Mike Johnson’s video in which he claims, as the new Speaker of the House, Biden’s team blocked him from meeting Biden for 8-9 weeks. When he was finally able to meet with Biden, there was a Dem All-Star team to prevent any one-on-one interaction. When Biden and Johnson were finally alone, briefly, Johnson expressed shock that Biden cut off (paused) LNG exports to Europe. Biden said “I didn’t do that.” MJ replied “you did, and let’s have your secretary print out the executive order.” Johnson said he was clearly non compos mentis.
4. AOC said she’s not attending the inaugural festivities because she “doesn’t celebrate rapists.” Interesting. That’s precisely the term that made George Stephanopolous lose a $15 million defamation lawsuit. Another one for the Trump litigation team.

 

Fact Brief: Does a presidential pardon undercut the recipient’s Fifth Amendment rights?

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[cardcrimson]

Thanks Mick. Great stuff. Knew about 1 and 2, happy to hear about 3. Think I suggested that a few weeks back–glad to see them looking at it. Heard today that many Dems are starting to come out of the woodwork, noting that Biden wasn’t in command of his faculties. Interesting that the articles I read early this am, didn’t mention Schiff, so surprised he got one, as well. They are in a real quandary. Hope AOC is in one, as well. . . .

[cardcrimson]

Here’s the link to Johnson’s interview regarding Biden’s acuity.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/19/when_mike_johnson_knew_joe_biden_wasnt_in_charge_anymore.html

 

[Beeg_Dawg]

I saw a clip of Schiff saying he was not interested in a pardon, thought it unwise to do so.  I guess it will be interesting to see if how many of those pardoned accept it.

 

[Mick1]

Couple of thoughts on pardons:

1. It can only be used to pardon criminal activity. Civil liability is not pardonable. So if you committed a Federal crime and accept a pardon, you may still be liable for civil penalties and you have forfeited your Fifth Amendment rights.
2. If memory serves, there is no time limit on accepting a presidential pardon…so Schiff can decide to not accept it until he’s about to charged.
3. That said, if one president’s pardons haven’t been delivered, the next president can revoke the pardon. It’s only happened twice. First was Ulysses S. Grant who revoked his predecessor’s (Johnson) pardon of a man who was supposed to spend a year in prison. Second, George Bush because the recipient’s father had donated to the Republicans.

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[Mick1]

4. For what it’s worth, Democrats pardon far more people than Republicans. Democratic presidents have pardoned an average of 1,929 people and Republicans have pardoned an average of 780…and that includes Trump’s pardons of J6 offenders and Ulysses S. Grant’s pardons of 1,300 Confederate officers. And it doesn’t include the 200,000 that Carter pardoned for fleeing to Canada during Vietnam.

The four Whig presidents pardoned an average of 104, Federalist John Adams pardoned 20 and unaffiliated G. W. pardoned 16.

5. Yes, Joe Biden pardoned the most, with 8,064.

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