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    • #4236
      Avatargpn38
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      That’s how our republic is ran these days.  Biden issued 44 or such (environment, immigration, abortion etc…) and now the next four years are kabuki theatre.

    • #4237
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      Trump signed seven in January after his inauguration. 44 and counting for Biden. Who’s the dictator?

      • #4238
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        What’s the over/under for the number that will be undone by the courts?

        Our legislative bodies are now the least effective/productive in our history?  Reconciliation is the only path forward.

        in terms of “Kubuki Theatre”, Trump’s impeachment defense might surely qualify. I certainly hope so.

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    • #4239
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      It would be helpful if members of Congress and various state legislatures would actually do something other than run for re-election.

       

    • #4240
      Avatarrogpodge
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      What is more surprising is that a bunch of lawyers didn’t line up to challenge each and every one of them.

    • #4241
      AvatarNeodymium60
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      Executive orders are ideological band aids.  For all we know Joe may have been told that he was signing Valentine Cards.   What I’m saying is that Joe’s shelf life as President is pre-planned and short.  Do some dirty work up front and get your successor off the hook.  I imagine once the economy picks up and the Wuhan virus winds down, Joe announces victory and that he is resigning due to his health.    Hope for Joe’s good health.  However bad he may be his No 2 is that squared.   I wish him well.

       

      • #4242
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        The Harris appearance in West Virginia confirms what has been obvious since the primaries, her shelf life is shorter than Joe’s.

        If Joe goes, so goes the democrats hold on power. And opposed to the farewell victory tour with a quick exit you offered, I think it’s as likely he’ll be Hoover part deux, and not entirely due to circumstances he’s created.

        Timing is everything.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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    • #4243
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      [quote quote=4242]The Harris appearance in West Virginia confirms what has been obvious since the primaries, her shelf life is shorter than Joe’s. If Joe goes, so goes the democrats hold on power. And opposed to the farewell victory tour with a quick exit you offered, I think it’s as likely he’ll be Hoover part deux, and not entirely due to circumstances he’s created. Timing is everything.[/quote]

      Can you say more about the Harris appearance in West Virginia?  I’ve been off POTUS news lately.

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    • #4244
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      [/quote] Can you say more about the Harris appearance in West Virginia? I’ve been off POTUS news lately.[/quote]

      Legend, she was cheerfully telling coal miners how much better their life will be when they don’t have a job.

    • #4245
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      “All of those skilled workers who are in the coal industry and transferring those skills to what we need to do in terms of dealing with reclaiming abandoned land mines; what we need to do around plugging leaks from oil and gas wells; and, transferring those important skills to the work that has yet to be done that needs to get done,”

      Land mines?   SMH.

      “Transferring those skills.”   Yes, they are having their skills returned to the market from their current jobs.

      I’m not one to defend coal when it’s an uneconomic option, but coal mining has never been the great satan that you would think it is if you listened to the Dem rhetoric.

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      • #4246
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        From a political standpoint Harris screwed the pooch. Trump won the state by 40%. And yet, there is a Democratic Senator from the state…in a 50-50 senate.

        Harris went down there with out engagement with Mansion. Her appearance and messaging could not produce the outcome they hoped for.

        So Biden starts his second week killing jobs, with his inability to open Chicago schools at the top of the news cycle and a VP who has his gift to make things worse.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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        • #4247
          LegendLegend
          Keymaster

          Typical gangster BS.  They sent Harris down there to essentially stir up the populace and ensure Manchin falls in line.  At this point the Dems are just throwing out money to buy votes, and Harris’s move is more of the same.

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          • #4248
            AvatarNeodymium60
            Participant

            Well Harris is the mother of the peaceful violent protest.

    • #4249
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      It’s really about pandering to the base….keeping a campaign promise no matter how flawed the logic.

      My question- would Joe kill the pipeline if St. Obama approved it?

      Killing the pipeline does nothing but strengthen our enemies, drive up domestic energy costs and consumer prices.  Oh- jobs.  That’s a damn fine policy move to eliminate jobs in the middle of a job killing pandemic.

       

    • #4250
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      Under the guise of combating racism and “xenophobia,” Biden on Tuesday banned federal workers from referring to COVID-19 as the “China virus” – a favored term of President Trump – and other rhetoric that he believes is insensitive to Asian-Americans.

      Nice to see Joe working on serious stuff.  Expecting new executive orders banning the use of West Nile virus, Swine Flu, Spanish Flu and Bird Flu.

       

      • #4251
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        Changing belief systems and values is associated with long term generational change. Fascinating that these folks believe they can alter both facts and cultural norms by limiting speech?

        Reprograming 70+ million citizens may take a bit longer. In the interim Biden looks foolish.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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    • #4252
      MickMick
      Participant

      [quote quote=4249]It’s really about pandering to the base….keeping a campaign promise no matter how flawed the logic. My question- would Joe kill the pipeline if St. Obama approved it? Killing the pipeline does nothing but strengthen our enemies, drive up domestic energy costs and consumer prices. Oh- jobs. That’s a damn fine policy move to eliminate jobs in the middle of a job killing pandemic.[/quote]

      And ruin our relationship with Canada.  Wasn’t it Crazy Joe Biden who wanted to “rebuild America’s relationship with our allies?”  Guess Canada isn’t an ally.

    • #4253
      MickMick
      Participant

      President Roosevelt held the record for the most executive orders signed in the first month of his presidency.  Biden broke that record…in two weeks.

      The number of executive orders signed by each president in their first month in office, except for Biden which covers his first two weeks:

      Roosevelt (30)

      Biden (28)

      Obama (16)

      Truman(13)

      Trump (12)

      GW Bush, Carter, Kennedy, Johnson (7)

      Eisenhower, Clinton (6)

      Reagan, Ford, Nixon (5)

      GHWBush (2)

       

       

       

      • #4254
        AvatarNeodymium60
        Participant

        The first presidents issued a few EOs in general terms.  The first by Washington “to impress me with the full, precise and distinct general idea of the affairs of the United States in their fields”.  Pretty sensible.

        Roosevelt issued 3751 EOs.   But he took it a step further by appointing SCOTUS justices in line with his views. (8 total).

        His first EO was to forbid banks to release gold coin or bullion.  Pretty extreme  I’d say.   He also personally pegged the price of gold.

        I see Biden issuing EOs targeted at the 1st and 2nd amendment, voting, religion, law enforcement.

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    • #4261
      AvatarBeyondThunderdome
      Participant

      There seems to be a focus in the number of executive orders in this thread. But if you look at the substance you’ll see that at least half are completely non-partisan and non-controversial. Examples:

      • Requiring mask wearing on Federal property during the pandemic
      • coordinating a government-wide Covid-19 response
      • banning discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation
      • mandating ethics pledge for government appointees
      • promoting Covid-19 safety in domestic and international travel
      • expanding access to Covid-19 treatments
      • promoting data-driven response to Covid-19
      • invoked the Defense Production Act to ramp up supplies for the pandemic response
      • establishing the Covid-19 Health Equity Task Force
      • supporting the reopening and continuing operation of schools
      • establishing a Covid-19 pandemic testing board
      • expanding food assistance programs
      • assisting veterans with debt
      • facilitate the distribution of federal aid amid the pandemic
      • facilitating delivery of stimulus payments to expand and improve delivery of direct stimulus payments, including the creation of online tools for recipients to claim their checks
      • order directed all government departments and agencies to “promptly identify actions they can take within existing authorities to address the current economic crisis resulting from the pandemic
      • reinstating Covid-19 travel restrictions
      • promoting ‘Buy American’ agenda
      • order re-establishing presidential council on science and technology

      Maybe EOs aren’t the best way to do some of these things and I’m sure you can nitpick or disagree with a few of them above — and others not listed. But my quick read is that many of them are specific to COVID (presumably temporary) and not some kind of partisan thing. So just going by the numbers is a bit misleading.

      NO MALARKEY

    • #4272
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      Good read on Biden’s energy policy and why it is at cross purposes to 3 of his campaign promises.  https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/05/how-bidens-energy-policies-will-decimate-american-jobs-for-no-good-reason/

       

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    • #4274
      MickMick
      Participant

      https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/index.html

      49 executive orders in the first fifteen days of Biden’s administration (per CNN).  At the depths of the Great Depression, FDR did 30…in his entire first month.  Of course, FDR won the popular vote in 1932 by almost 20%.

      King Joe is making quite an impression with his government by fiat.  And that’s with Democratic majorities in the Senate and the House.  Good thing he doesn’t need Congress.  He’s sure getting a lot done in the absence of any legislative discussions without having to talk to all those icky Republicans or paying any attention at all to 74 million Deplorable opinions.

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    • #4276
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
      Participant

      And appearing on our stage, one week only, the production that’s only possible because of Alfred E. Schumer, Nancy I was Set Up Pelosi & Jo$seph Emile Biden…The Three Stooges Impeachment Circus!  With the unforgettable Argument Clinic sketch led by Eric Swalwell with a case predicated on a distortion of the very public record against the counter puncher who thrives on hitting back harder!

      You don’t want to miss this latest legislative shut down for UNITY!

       

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #4277
      AvatarNeodymium60
      Participant

      [quote quote=4274]https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/index.html 49 executive orders in the first fifteen days of Biden’s administration (per CNN). At the depths of the Great Depression, FDR did 30…in his entire first month. Of course, FDR won the popular vote in 1932 by almost 20%. King Joe is making quite an impression with his government by fiat. And that’s with Democratic majorities in the Senate and the House. Good thing he doesn’t need Congress. He’s sure getting a lot done in the absence of any legislative discussions without having to talk to all those icky Republicans or paying any attention at all to 74 million Deplorable opinions.[/quote]

       

      Apparently, Biden had a little help getting these 49 EOs through quickly.  Bill Barr.   The DOJ blocked 30 Trump EOs ready to go after the election and fast tracked Biden’s by Barr’s Office of Legal counsel.  You could say that Barr was Biden’s first AG.

      https://www.brighteon.com/0f96785e-d9aa-435f-b121-5a1628fb2100

      • #4278
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        What do you think is the likelihood that the USSC will hear the half dozen or so cases regarding 2020 election process constitutionality that are to be considered for review in a week or two.

        At the review I believe it takes four votes to hear a case. Will multiple “conservative” justices decline?

        As an aside, the state mandated that I show up with a state issued photo ID in order to receive vaccine at my scheduled appointment…to join in the company of the unwashed masses queued up for service.  Is the effort to curtail vaccination fraud more important to society than the avoidance of voter fraud?  It’s suggested that we can’t require photo ID’s in voting so as not to disenfranchise those who are unable to attain said ID’s. Yet in fighting a pandemic, a virus that is easily spread through human contact, politicians refuse to waive the ID requirement? To hell with the risk of spread. To hell with high risk lives if they lack appropriate identification.

        How does one square that circle?

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #4279
      AvatarNeodymium60
      Participant

      In a perfect world everyone would do their job.  But freedom is sloppy.  The problem is that the people who you want to work hard and get it right are those that insist on a perfect world but actually prefer tyranny, tenure and sinecure.

       

      • #4280
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        Thanks for expanding the vocabulary. The noun fits government service like a glove.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #4282
      Avatarichiban
      Participant

      I was watching the EPA sec hearings for the ex gov of Michigan. A senator from a mining state asked if she plans to ban coal.  She smirked  “No!”  Just to watch all the jaws drop.  Then talked about her “carbon capture”  study schemres.  Disarming the senators looking forward to the free money for stupid stuff.    Is it going to work??

    • #4288
      MickMick
      Participant

      I’ve been hearing that people who would otherwise not qualify for an immediate vaccine are signing up for vaccines in counties with high percentages of anti-vaxxers.  Those counties are receiving a lockstep amount of the vaccine, and since there are so many anti-vaxxers in their counties, they tend to have extra vaccine.

      Just FYI…

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