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I think Netanyahu and Trump blew this completely. If we were really going to do this together, they should have coordinated much better and started with the bombing of the nuclear sites. Instead they telegraphed the bombing for weeks and gave Iran time to move the important materials out. I suspect it will backfire and we’ll see Iran testing a bomb later this year.
I don’t know if it was right for the US to get involved. Regardless, if we were going to get involved (as we now have) we should have not dithered for two weeks. The natural result of an incompetent administration running the country.
My speculation: The reason it took us two weeks to get our shit together is because Trump probably got blindsided into this by Netanyahu. He then couldn’t help himself when he saw that it was initially going reasonably well for Israel. Hopefully it works out. I’m not so sure, though.
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And you think they had some place to move the fissile material where they could seamlessly pursue their nuclear dreams? And that Israel would not detect such movement? I sure don’t have a clue, but it seems like a stretch to believe that Trump and Netanyahu are so incompetent that did not enter their mind. George W made that argument when WMD weren’t found. Could be, but I’ll bet on IDF and Mossad over your insights.
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Regardless of whether I’m right or wrong about Iran ‘absconding’ away with the nuclear materials before they were bombed, it was just incompetent to give Iran two weeks. To me that points to Trump making an impulsive and dumb decision.
There were negotiations that were supposed to take place on the 15th or whatever the exact date was. I think Trump genuinely believed that was going to happen. Maybe I’m wrong. But I don’t believe this 4D chess theory going around that he and Netanyahu crafted some sort of deception campaign to catch the Iranians off guard. I think Netanyahu is wagging the dog, or whatever the phrase is. Because if Trump did know about the Israeli attack ahead of time but his administration didn’t get their shit together for two weeks until after it started, then that points to even more incompetence.
Netanyahu probably realized it was his last and best chance to attack Iran before a new deal — and took it. And Trump, who wanted a victory and likes to be the tough guy, saw some successes Israel was having and greenlit our involvement without really thinking it through.
I hope you’re right about the intelligence. I hope I’m wrong. I just think the sequence of events point to incompetence and lack of planning on our part.
I think we are half-assing this. Trump wants to have his cake and eat it too. Either we plan this properly, do this right, go in full scale. Or we stay the fuck out. Even while we were helping the Israeli’s defend themselves and giving them intelligence, we had some distance from this. We are now in it. You can’t be half-pregnant. Trump seems to think we can just bomb another country and then declare that we want peace. That’s not how this works. We need to shit or get off the pot. But we already shat. So Trump owns this.
As much as I dislike Trump and think he’s corrupt, unethical, and all the rest, now that we’re in this I do hope that someday he can claim that this was some sort of great success. But he is not the guy I would choose to lead America through something like this.
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https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/us-news/trump-announces-israel-and-iran-have-agreed-to-cease-fire/
Iran’s leaders acted irrationally throughout this until the Qatar base attack (which is a classic symbolic end to hostilities). Don’t walk away from the guy who invented walking away (hyperbole), and don’t call the bluff of someone whose entire foreign policy is based on “Try me.” Glad that a relatively peaceful end came so quickly.
I do hope that the Ayatollah decides to negotiate. Persia / Iran has a lot of potential if it invests its oil wealth in its people instead of terrorist proxies.
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I go away for a day and world war 3 is averted.
my take? This was all orchestrated after Israel attacked. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Israel had damaged Iran so badly that the U.S. said “salvage what you can, we are sending a kill shot, and then this thing is over.”
Both iran and Israel took the deal
that’s realpolitik. Kudos to trump the incompetent one.
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Looks like this just set Iran back a few months.
When Iran does start testing nuclear bombs, it will be all on Trump. He left the JCPOA — not a perfect agreement, but better than nothing. And he replaced it with nothing.
Then when Iran was just about to come back and negotiate again, Trump bombed them.
So Iran literally has no reason to even pretend anymore. I guess we can revisit this thread later — after Iran tests their bomb.
As I said earlier, I hope I turn out to be wrong. But so far, by all accounts, the latest action did essentially nothing. The Trump admin gave the Iranians lots of signals that they were going to bomb and so Iran ran off with the important materials. Is that not accurate? That’s what I’m reading.
So Trump’s actions have essentially backfired. Not sure what the kudos are for.
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