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    • #396
      Rocky17Rocky17
      Participant

      The lawlessness in Seattle is a direct consequence of not standing up to home grown left wing terrorist groups that want an overthrow of the US government.  At what point will middle of the road Dems force their city and state governments to fight back?

    • #397
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      I weep for Seattle.  Lived there in the 80’s, moving from central Iowa.  OMG, what an amazing place.  Puget Sound, Olympic Mountains, Cascades, skiing, hiking, 4 wheeling and sailing. From Mom and Pop’s to 4 star eateries, I was convinced it was home to the best seafood on the planet.

      In less than 30 years, liberals turned what I thought was the most livable city anywhere into a complete, absolute cluster bomb.  Blessed with a city council that is so far left AOC looks like a Reagan protege, they had no plan but they had an agenda.

      Listened to the head of Seattle Police Officer Guild last night. Dude was nearly in tears.  The city council and mayor have told them to stand done rather than enforce the law. No confrontations, no exceptions.

      I can only hope voters fix this polls rather than voting with their feet. I’m not counting on it.

    • #398
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      We have reached a moment of absurdity where for some reason enforcing almost any law is equated with police brutality.  The videos of statues coming down in Minneapolis reminds of Iraq.

      https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1270850224777396224

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    • #401
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      50 Employees gone.  Wonder if anyone on the city council can do the math and figure out what this means to the local economy.

      https://fee.org/articles/minneapolis-man-who-watched-his-business-burn-says-he-s-leaving-history-suggests-more-will-follow/?fbclid=IwAR0u-4wXLUN3oSThhHd2j-9cSLC9QZzeRk662bQCwvyVZp4GK45xpwnIMvA

      I saw a list of demands from the Autonomous Zone “residents”.  Item 3 is trophies for all participants because, you know, we’re all winners.

    • #402
      Rocky17Rocky17
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    • #403
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      [quote quote=402]https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-celebrates-seattles-autonomous-zone-a-homeland-for-racial-justice[/quote]

      The NYT are idiots.  This zone will be a total mess in a few days.  This is no different than the occupy Wall Street nonsense, except that apparently they are bearing guns and controlling entry. Suddenly armed guards and exclusion of police from a part of an American city is pretty ok with the leftists.

      Want a fun thought exercise?  Imagine the sentiment if the occupiers were old fat white guy conservatives with their AR-15s.

      The NYT would ask Senator Cotton to roll the tanks in.

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    • #404
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      Clueless in Seattle.  I wonder what the mainstream Dem voters are thinking in Washington state.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/seattle-mayor-says-neither-she-nor-police-chief-will-resign-despite-calls-from-protesters

    • #405
      AvatarRoscoeMaynard
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      its interesting to see the nexus here of sociology, psychology and political science.  demanding ID to enter your own neighborhood, being demanded by a dude name Fred with no authority, but who claims authority by farcical aquatic ceremony with a watery tart, and then they are shaking down the local businesses…this has everything.

    • #406
      FratBoySpikeFratBoySpike
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      I had just watched a documentary on the lawlessness in Seattle about a month ago.  How the police had stopped arresting addicts/homeless that had 60 to 70 prior arrests without consequences.  The lawless already controlled those streets; they just made it official now.  I had desired a bit of anarchy since 2016 when all of the polls showed Hillary had the election in hand.  Oops!  Fortunately, I began building an arsenal then, though somewhat slowed by California’s regulations.  Unfortunately, most of those weapons burnt up in the Camp Fire and I had to start over in December 2018.  Fortunately, my Army Captain just discharged from the Army and we can combine weapons/forces once we are together in Texas come September.  There are lots of old white guys that have been anticipating an uprising for a long time.  Should get interesting.  Haha.

      "Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." - Charles Bukowski

    • #408
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      Inslee needs to stop engaging in Twitter wars with Trump and clean up this embarrasing mess.  Here is a guy who was running for president and he can’t (or worse won’t) protect the crown jewel in his own state. Some resume.

      With this precedent, how do you say No to Muslim communities practicing S’ri law?

    • #410
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      Reminiscent of the communes set up temporarily in the late 60’s and 70’s, in the midst of stormy protests.

      I absolutely would NOT intervene with main political force, and create some ridiculous Camelot legend. Let it collapse under its own weight of anarchy,

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #413
      AvatarFrankO
      Participant

      Water eventually finds its level… it may just take more time…

    • #415
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      [quote quote=410] Let it collapse under its own weight of anarchy,[/quote]

      Would be a great experiment, but how do you say no to the next bunch of nuts that want to establish a commune in the middle of a city? It’s not like Seattle is Antelope, OR.

      Remember Rajneeshuram?

       

    • #416
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      [quote quote=415][quote quote=410] Let it collapse under its own weight of anarchy,[/quote] Would be a great experiment, but how do you say no to the next bunch of nuts that want to establish a commune in the middle of a city? It’s not like Seattle is Antelope, OR. Remember Rajneeshuram?

      [/quote]

      My college roomate’s family played a big part in the fight against the rajneeshees.  I remember those stories.  What an awful situation.

      “How do you say no to the next…” is the core question here.  Equal protection under the law will be an interesting thing now that selective law enforcement has gone mainstream.

      My hunch is that the theory of non-policing here is based in part on thought policing.  As in:  “These people are not generally violent [because we can read their thoughts], so let’s let it play out.”  Whereas if they were the Branch Davidians, we’d roll tanks because their religion doesn’t match our orthodoxy, even though the Branch Davidians were nonviolent until they weren’t.

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      • #424
        AvatarBeeg_Dawg
        Participant

        We can read their thoughts…..

        Sounds like “The Minority Report”.  Police are not required, because Precogs can see into the future and stop crime, dispatching PreCrime units to apprehend “criminals” before they commit a crime.  Raises a lot of questions about free will v determinism.

        People are generally non violent until they are not.  Problem is deterence.  No law, no social order, there is no deterence.

        What sort of hubris do officials have, thinking this uprising will have a better outcome than say, Iran or Cuba.  Someone will always be in charge, and that person will impose his/her own social order.

    • #419
      Avatargpn38
      Participant

      Watching the beast eat itself. Far Left wing cities, devolving further and further into anarchy and mob rule. Like the French communes of Victor Hugo fame.
      I am torn between zero tolerance towards this nonsense  and watchful waiting as it goes to its ignonimous end.

    • #435
      AvatarRoscoeMaynard
      Participant

      and it will fail by the end of the day, negotiations underway now.

    • #469
      Rocky17Rocky17
      Participant

      Seattle`s leaders are a real hot mess.

      https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-chief-says-policing-will-never-be-the-same-due-to-george-floyd-protests

      They have no idea what to do or how to lead.  I wonder what voters think.

    • #470
      AvatarRoscoeMaynard
      Participant

      they may be a mess, but the autonomous zone’s pranking Fox News by quoting Monty Python’s Holy Grail is hysterical.  Bravo autonomous zone, may you live another day to quote more Python.

      • #473
        cardcrimsoncardcrimson
        Participant

        Yeah, but they didn’t even get the quote right. Where’s the watery tart reference?

    • #475
      AvatarRoscoeMaynard
      Participant

      they got more right about it than fox did covering it.  fox doesn’t know its Monty Python…not surprising really.

    • #476
      Avatartopcamera
      Participant

      It’s the coffee. People don’t sleep and are numbed. The only good thing about Seattle is the Ebbets Field Co. Rainer Ale is piss, Pete Carroll is an asshole and Ichiro is gone.

      • #481
        AvatarBeeg_Dawg
        Participant

        TC, Ranier closed the Seattle brewery in ’99.

    • #478
      Rocky17Rocky17
      Participant

      Possibly, the police should just strike like other union workers since progressives love union workers who strike.  They want to defund the police but at the same time demand they work 84 hours per week.  WTF

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cities-call-on-cops-to-work-overtime-to-quell-unrest-despite-defund-rallying-cry

    • #483
      Avatartopcamera
      Participant

      Beeg… Now it’s aged piss.

    • #494
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      [quote quote=493]They’re not going to pay the overtime earned by LA cops the last few weeks. Instead, they’re going to give them time off: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/lapd-protests-overtime/index.html Would be interesting, and disastrous, if the cops did go on strike. The Return of the Archons hits the US.[/quote]

      Been a long time since I have lived and worked there, but doesn’t California mandate that orgs pay out PTO at the end of the year anyway vs. rolling it over? Seems like I remember you could bank a week or so, but the rest was paid.

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