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    • #3893
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
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      Strange goings on caught on video in one of the few cities that recorded record AA participation?

      ”Governor” Abrams too cute by half?  Will the Republican Governor and the Republican legislature address this issue?  Will they fix things for the runoffs?  Will they end the folly of unverifiable mail in ballots?

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
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    • #3894
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      While this recording may be one of only a few, what happened here and elsewhere is not in doubt.  I still think Trump will win because the fraud is so obvious.  What is not obvious is why the person referenced above and those who were counting votes have not been interviewed by Georgia state investigators and the FBI.

      • #3895
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
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        Sort of the same “feel” as the contract driver who brought completed ballots to Pennsylvania from NY?

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #3896
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      Bob, I know the few left on this board think I am a modern day caricature of Don Quixote and worse.  I am telling you what is being uncovered via film and affidavits is so compelling that I am convinced Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin will be overturned and, at worst, be turned over to the state legislatures to vote the electoral votes in the college.  The tide of public opinion is turning big time by what is being shown visually but the computer geek stuff has and will confirm for SCOTUS that what happened was impossible.  In that one room in Georgia with those four boxes only there were enough votes to have prevented both Trump and Perdue from winning.  That has zero to do with the 1500+ dead people and 20,000 some odd out of state people whose votes were illegally given to Biden there.  When the illegal votes are thrown out because the legislatures never authorized the changes, there will be all hell breaking loose.  But it is coming.

      Not one claim of voter fraud has been alleged against Republicans.  If the election was totally above board and completely clean, why are Dems flying all over the country with legal teams to oppose witness affidavits?  That in itself is an admission of guilt.

    • #3897
      Avatarrogpodge
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      I don’t know what the outcome of these election challenges will be.  I analogize it to trying to overturn a jury verdict… really difficult because the standards of review are against you, and all presumptions are in favor of the verdict.

      Last week, the “evidence” looked weak.  Then the hearings began, and it started to look stronger.  Then the Atlanta / Fulton County video hit (apparently obtained at 1AM today, therefore the legislator who claimed it had already been “debunked” was shut down really quickly), and that’s pretty shady.  I DO remember that shortly after election night, someone claimed to be delivering something near the arena, and took pictures of suitcases being rolled into one of the vote counting places.

      As I posted before, what I would really like to happen out of this election is a return to election security (yes, including voter ID), and the death of unproven, speculative “voter suppression” arguments as an excuse to prevent common sense measures to ensure secure elections.

    • #3898
      AvatarBeyondThunderdome
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      RJ,

      Here’s another point of view. [I feel bad for Francis Watson, mentioned below. No doubt she is about to get a ton of death threats and harassment.] Some excerpts:

      The officials said the ballots seen in the video were in regular ballot containers — not suitcases — and they had been removed from their envelopes and processed while news media and election observers for the Republican Party and Trump campaign were present. The media and party observers were never told to leave because counting was over for the night, but they apparently followed workers who left once their job of opening envelopes was completed, the chief investigator for the secretary of state told Lead Stories. The observers were free to return at anytime, she said. Georgia law allows observers, but does not require them to be there for ballots to be counted, she said.

      Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table. She said:

      There wasn’t a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table.

      A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 p.m., when the work that night was completed.

      The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state’s office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.

      The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.

      According to the Georgia Secretary of State’s office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 — a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.

      Sterling said when he looked at the results, “there was nothing abnormal in the distribution of votes.”

       

      NO MALARKEY

      • #3901
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
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        The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.

        According to the Georgia Secretary of State’s office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 — a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.

        BTD, you of course recognize this statement is false on its face.   Does it cause you to consider the reliability of the argument here?

        If 10,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden the impact on the final count would be 20,000 votes…more than enough to reverse the result.

        Do you know if the statements that were made to the Lead Stories reporter over the phone were under oath?  Are the “witness’s” accounts offered under penalty of perjury?  Perhaps important as the folks who state they were told that counting was done for the night and to vacate the premises are at risk if they are lying to the court. Perhaps simply sloppy reporting?

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    • #3904
      AvatarBeyondThunderdome
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      Bob, the key statement is “If 10,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden”. What if 10k were switched from Biden to Trump (more likely given Georgia’s history)? What if this is just a bunch of bs like everything else that hasn’t stood up to scrutiny and has been thrown out of court by Trump appointed judges in many cases?

      I’ll explain what happened: Someone saw something, didn’t understand what was actually happening, and now we have yet another conspiracy.

      We’re talking about election overseen by Republican officials who undoubtedly voted for Trump. Hell, Raffensperger was a MAGA Tumper before Trump was even the front runner in 2016. You don’t think they would be all over this if there was a hint of actual impropriety? It would be like Governor Newsom or Bernie Sanders looking the other way if there was some clear fraud that favored Republicans in their state. It wouldn’t happen.

      From the Washington Post:

      Fulton County Elections Director Richard Barron refuted those claims on Friday, saying in a public meeting that no observers were ever told to leave the facility.

      According to Barron, staff members who had been opening and flattening ballots for scanning started leaving the facility as their duties concluded.

      Other election workers started to pack up, Sterling told The Associated Press in an interview. They put prepared ballots back in boxes and away under a table “to close out for the night.” Members of the media and Republican observers began to leave the building too.

      Then, the supervisor onsite got a call from Barron, who instructed the team to continue scanning the ballots that had already been prepared. They pulled the same boxes of ballots back out, and resumed scanning, Sterling said.

      “These aren’t magical ballots,” Sterling told the AP. “They didn’t show up out of some other room.”

      After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said.

      The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.”

      The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended.

      The president’s team is “intentionally misleading the public about what happened at State Farm Arena on election night,” Gabriel Sterling tweeted Friday. “They had the whole video too and ignored the truth.”

      NO MALARKEY

      • #3906
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
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        It would be like Governor Newsom or Bernie Sanders looking the other way if there was some clear fraud that favored Republicans in their state. It wouldn’t happen.”

        This is amusing.  In your judgment doesn’t it “count” if the shenanigans are in full relief during a party primary? Let’s get grounded in reality, shall we?  Between you and me, let’s not forget that leopards generally don’t change their spots, do they?

        Should we forget the trusting fool who famously stated on a debate stage, “I don’t care about your damn emails”?  Should we forget that the same fool lost, never exploring whether his competitor had debate questions in advance?  Should we forget that the law firm that is the centerpiece of Biden’s election integrity unit contracted for and directed payments to Steele for his “dossier” for the sole purpose of deception during a general election?  Should we forget that the same law firm sat quietly as a special counsel was appointed and DoJ staffers slow played the production of the evidence of the conspiracy? As a purposeful fraud against the FISA Court was perpetrated?  As the rights of a private citizen, one Carter Page were trampled under foot?  The same Perkins firm watched as the orderly functioning of our government was purposely compromised for two years by a special counsel investigation?

        You’re comfortably numb using language like “conspiracy theories”…as the same assholes reappear at the center of our election processes. I guess their character is unimpeachable in your opinion?

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    • #3909
      AvatarBeyondThunderdome
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      Grounded in reality? Analogies are fairly common rhetorical devices to illustrate a point.

      You don’t like that I call them conspiracy theories? Fine. I’ll call them baseless claims that don’t stand up to scrutiny. But yeah, if you are basing your fraud proof on which law firm Biden hired then I would suggest you don’t have much of a case — and that is conspiratorial whether you like the term or not.

      NO MALARKEY

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