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June 28, 2020 at 2:27 pm #852
topcamera
ParticipantIf Trump knew about the Afghan bounty and did nothing?
If Trump wasn’t informed what the hell is wrong with our intelligence service?
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June 28, 2020 at 3:01 pm #853
LegendKeymasterIf trump did something, does it need to be public?
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June 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm #856
RoscoeMaynard
Participantcome on man, he was busy re-tweeting crap and tweeting crap, he doesn’t have time for briefings on this type of piddly crap.
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June 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm #870
topcamera
ParticipantYeah, PL this time it does. Given his lies and half truths. It’s bad for him too.
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June 28, 2020 at 9:16 pm #873
gpn38
ParticipantDoesn’t sound like him to do nothing about stuff like that. He is very pro military, But, again, Russia, unnamed sources, NYT. Who knows.
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June 29, 2020 at 2:38 am #875
BeyondThunderdome
Participant[quote quote=853]If trump did something, does it need to be public?[/quote]
Trump has no problem publicly denouncing, rebuking, mocking, and criticizing our allies, fellow Republicans, Congressional leaders, Supreme Court members, a large number of former members of his own administration, Admirals, Generals, war heroes, medal winners, and pretty much anyone across the spectrum of good and bad, friend or foe.
but this will all be forgotten, like everything else, as soon as Trump does his next idiotic thing — like retweeting a white power video.
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June 29, 2020 at 6:53 am #877
LegendKeymaster[quote quote=875][quote quote=853]If trump did something, does it need to be public?[/quote] Trump has no problem publicly denouncing, rebuking, mocking, and criticizing our allies, fellow Republicans, Congressional leaders, Supreme Court members, a large number of former members of his own administration, Admirals, Generals, war heroes, medal winners, and pretty much anyone across the spectrum of good and bad, friend or foe. but this will all be forgotten, like everything else, as soon as Trump does his next idiotic thing — like retweeting a white power video.[/quote]
yeah. Not clear at all the reality of the russia news, but the white power tweet? Not a good look. Only trump could survive that one.
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June 29, 2020 at 11:22 am #878
rjnwmillParticipantGeez, how naive can you guys be. You’re off in the wrong direction totally. Following the media/democratic narrative like lemmings.
Just how much money do you estimate we threw at the Afghan resistance when Russian troops were occupying the country? Not just a bounty but offensive military hardware. The means to kill their soldiers? How in the world do you think the militias were able to down Russian helicopters?
This “bounty” narrative is advanced for a single reason; prior bs, Russia collusion, solicitation of the Ukraine government seeking election interference didn’t stick. So now we watch as you buy what they’re selling. You don’t take a moment to consider the history; the source. No critical review? Just all in since its being advanced to damage Trump’s political interests. PT Barnum had you guys pegged.
The mistake here would be if Trump/Obana/Bush/the Pentagon/the Intel community didn’t anticipate this activity on the part of the Russians BEFORE WE INTRODUCED TROOPS BACK IN 2001. That would be disqualifyingly negligent. Now Trump may double down on stupid…pretending he didn’t know the Russians were up to their elbows doing what we do. We’ll see.
You of course realize there is some similar goings on in plain view? Just like the Cubans in Venezuela? Just like Obama campaign talent working for the Israeli political opposition? Just like Obama sending arms to the Syrian opposition? Wake up. That’s what is done…by everyone.
I find it hard to believe you buy this crap. Nothing but a bunch of low information voters.
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June 29, 2020 at 11:36 am #879
Rocky17ParticipantIt is amazing to me how much BS people can absorb if they live in the greater SF area when it comes to phony stories from Dem idiots and the NY Times. Adam Schiff published an editorial in conjunction with this article which is once again absolute corroboration that this was another well planned event similar to the phony Ukraine and Russia stories. They will never stop and if Trump gets elected again, it will continue 4 more years to obstruct his agenda. That ANYONE would give credence to a story from liberal rags after the incredible number of phony stories about Trump during the last few years is beyond understanding. California dreaming seems to get worse bolstered by prejudice and malevolence the closer one gets to the Pacific ocean. Love him, hate him or be neutral about Trump, it is still wretched ignorance and gullibility. Do these simple minds learn anything from experience? Apparently not.
It is really wonderful that every deep state treasonous SOB who works to undermine a foreign policy of the presiding chief executive has been removed so the source MUST be accurate.
Trump has obviously been so easy on bad actors in the middle east, China and Russia right? I mean, compared to Obama/Biden who really put the screws to ISIS, Syria, Russia and Chinese trade policies. Now they were the tough guys, correct???? Trump is such a pushover, cowardly creature compared to those bad boy Democrats!!!
If a game show called “Gullibility” were ever developed, the only winners would all be from California and New York and read the NY Times, WaPo or the Chron.
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June 29, 2020 at 4:10 pm #887
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ParticipantAlmost as funny as the public coursing down Miami Beach and dozens of other beaches without masks. Talk about stupid people and their stupid reps and stupid Presidents.
And Bob don’t be so naive as to believe in nothing the Dems say is true. That’s how you lose elections fella. I can’t believe a guy like you can fall so head over heels in love with a scum like Orange. Blind faith I guess. I hope you are wearing a mask even if your Hero disdains them.
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June 29, 2020 at 7:30 pm #889
rjnwmillParticipantTC, how do you go from Russian bounties offered in Afghanistan to masks in Miami? Seems typical of our politics unfortunately. Cast the net as wide as possible to condemn Trump. Remember to be flexible, if the first narrative is shown to be bs, simply offer more of the same?
TC, I am amused when you suggest that I should be seeking truth from democrat POLITICIANS. Tell me, which democrats do you “take to the bank”? Adam Schiff? Jerry Nadler? Macie Hirono? Hillary Clinton? Dianne Feinstein? Nancy Pelosi? {Republicans murdered George Floyd} Who is it TC?
I also suspect you know you are dissembling when you suggest I am an Orange sycophant. Your superb story telling skills, often in evidence in your posts, confirms you have a high quality memory. Accordingly, I strongly suspect you fully appreciate that my “support” for the Orange One was, and always has been predicated on his ability and willingness to blow our current “politics” to kingdom come. I have stated too frequently that I believe our current practitioners are self serving power obsessed fools who have no commitment to the good of the nation. Since its inception, campaign Orange and the subsequent reign of terror has been predicated on bringing politicians on both sides of the aisle into clear view. Jeb Bush? Marco Rubio, with an assist from Christie? John McCain? Lisa Murkowski? Paul Ryan? And of course the loyal opposition. {Remember how he was lambasted for suggesting Obama bugged his campaign and Trump Tower?} He has been bipartisan in his contempt and yes I think that is precisely what is needed in our times.
If you really believe a “Biden” administration is what is needed all I can say is I disagree profoundly. I don’t think his family needs the money. I don’t think we need senility at the top. I don’t think we need more bureaucrats destroying our public institutions; see Comey, Rice, Clapper, Holder, Lynch, Grubber & Vindman, just to name a few. These are the folks who thrived during the previous administration. And here you are saying, “Thank you Joe, may I have another!”?
And as you asked, I do wear a mask much of the time when I’m going to be in close quarters. As you know, I am not a candidate to sacrifice for the benefit of us all through herd immunity. But that is how I see this current outbreak. It is significantly impacting those under 40, a low risk demographic. The only downer is that it necessitates the further isolation of folks like you and me. But hey, that’s my cross to bear and I do it with a smile. I’ve got my bonsai trees and an ocean view.
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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June 29, 2020 at 9:13 pm #896
topcamera
ParticipantRead the post above mine. Apparently the poster, whoever she is, thinks the West Coast is inhabited by idiots. The highest rate of Dummies and Deplorables is in the Southwest.
Are you wearing a mask? Why aren’t your president and VP wearing one. I would say pure fear that they will lose their base. And I DO prefer a Biden presidency because the guy in that job is a faker and a liar. And to top it off doesn’t know where Finland is. You can laugh that one off but it is more telling about his ability to govern than anything.This guy makes Harding and Pierce look like Marcus Aurelius. Plus he belittles developmental people and tweets with a background That includes white power yelling. I hope he leaves Biden’s inauguration in handcuffs.
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June 29, 2020 at 10:10 pm #899
Beeg_Dawg
Participant“This guy makes Harding and Pierce look like Marcus Aurelius.”
Could be a Hall of Fame sentence right there!
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June 29, 2020 at 10:18 pm #900
Rocky17ParticipantThere is outright lawlessness in entire parts of inner cities in New York, Chicago, Seattle, Minneapolis and dozens of other cities. Anarchists, Antifa types and others of similar bent and character are running the show within these areas without rule of law or government control. DOZENS of people, mostly black, have died in recent weeks without benefit of police protection. When they try to help, they are belted with rocks, bottles and other dangerous weapons. Total anarchy. Businesses have been looted by the hundreds along with the livelihood and lives of many business owners and their families. This is the US????
What do these areas have in common? Years of Dem control where mayors, councilmen, governors and other power brokers are either too scared, too inept or too ineffective to have the strength to enforce rule of law and protect citizens. Many of these are so socialist and believe in tearing down the government institutions that protect citizens that they are promoting this lawlessness. I have seen pictures of homeowners having to brandish weapons to ward off prospective looters on their property to protect themselves because police are not allowed in.
CNN and other MSM will not report on the deaths or destruction, rapes and beatings that are occurring because it is inconsistent with the narrative they are promoting. They won’t show reality and what other media are showing. This is 3rd world stuff. The west Marin guy spouting insanity above hates Trump so much, he would rather people die and anarchy rule the cities out of hatred for one man. Voting Biden in would do just that, giving free reign to what is already happening. He has been in hiding for 80 days saying absolutely nothing about the situation. Same with Pelosi and Schumer as far as anything constructive or useful. I truly wonder what would happen if hundreds of people encamped out his front door or on his property and the downtown of Inverness whether he would just allow them to destroy his city businesses and his property and damage and pilfer all his worldly goods by standing up and loudly proclaiming “It is OK, rape my wife, steal my valuables, do anything you want to me because I hate Trump”. It is the lesser of two evils!!! While he says nothing about it and cares not because it is not his family or friends whose lives are being destroyed, does anyone doubt he would make a 180 degree plea for help if he was in the middle of the unpoliced and ungoverned areas? You don’t have to be a Stanford or SF State grad to figure that conundrum out.
If you want anarchy, put Schumer, Biden and Pelosi in control and you will get it. The quarantine has apparently affected the brain cells and common sense of many and unfortunately you appear to be among them. I do not even own a gun but after 70 years I am purchasing several and taking courses in how to use them in case people with your mindset win the election and the rule of law becomes a variable depending on where you live and who is in control. WTF ever happened to the minds of some people I truly used to love and respect is beyond this old guy`s comprehension. The Dem world is not one I want my grandchildren growing up in. ANYONE with common sense and belief in the rule of law including Donald Trump would be preferable to the present day Democratic party and its candidates.
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June 29, 2020 at 11:28 pm #902
FratBoySpikeParticipantHey Rocky:
You are where I was at 4 years ago when I bought my first firearm and began stockpiling ammo. I was certain Hillary was going to win and I figured the socialist/commie/antifa types were going to violently jam their agenda down my throat. Fortunately, all the polls were wrong then. Fast forward four years for the rioting and looting I expected back in 2016 & 2017 to be going full tilt.
I went to our nearby outdoor range yesterday here in Oroville, CA and was blown away by the number of people practicing compared to last year. It was a beautiful sight. Additionally, my arsenal wish list is ready to be fulfilled once I arrive in Texas in less than 70 days since nearly everything I want is outlawed here in Cali.
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." - Charles Bukowski
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June 30, 2020 at 10:05 am #913
RoscoeMaynard
Participantthere is no question we are safer with trumpo at the helm. His calm guiding hand has reminded me of Eisenhower’s steady leadership. And besides that, he re-tweets all the coolest videos.
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June 30, 2020 at 12:34 pm #914
rjnwmillParticipantIndeed Roscoe, once again your experience serves you well as you share your thinking about the Orange One. I bet you’ve found that your clients never care about the results at trial in the cases you handle. They are paying happily for your style, your good looks, your manners & and your cool motions and objections!
I’m curious, are you able to you sell courtroom photos taken with your clients like the political types do? What’s your rate for a suitable portrait?
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Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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June 30, 2020 at 12:04 am #903
BeyondThunderdome
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RJ: this is so normal and obvious that it would negligence if administrations weren’t aware and prepared.
Rocky: this is all such bs. I can’t believe anyone would believe it.
The bases are definitely covered between the two of you.
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June 30, 2020 at 7:14 am #909
Rocky17ParticipantThe topper on this entire affair is the fact that the left wing council and mayors in some cities have spent nearly $100,000 at taxpayer expense for personal security details since this started while failing in their duty to protect citizens well being and property.
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June 30, 2020 at 8:59 am #910
rjnwmillParticipantRocky, can you imagine the dedication and professionalism that the rank and file law enforcement officers would bring to protective details serving the N.Y. mayor? The Minneapolis supervisors? The Seattle mayor? They might do more than turn their back. So our leaders invest in redundancy…and so it has been in every area of government. Why manage when you can throw more money against the wall?
Can union leadership commit to these guys and maintain any cred with the rank & file?
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June 30, 2020 at 2:14 pm #915
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ParticipantTrump sought division (or more precisely, he sought to deepen the already deep divide). He succeeded. Had we got through his tenure without a major crisis, maybe we would have been ok. But the pandemic hit. And he twiddled his thumbs, acted macho after hiding in the bunker and couldn’t even wear a mask. A simple unobtrusive act that has NO physical downside. The only benefit he gains is assuring that the most ignorant out there remain with him.
Then when the protests hit, he had no coherent message. Other than some blather about being a “law and order President.”
He has done everything he can to assure that he’d have these battles with Govs and Mayors of blue states. Belittling them. Baiting them. His f—-g tweets. And they have obliged. Turning left. Seattle is a bad joke. But of course, the Mayor and Gov would rather have chaos then do anything Trump would remotely support.
Trump has been everybit the disaster I anticipated. Sure he’s had a couple policy wins, got a couple conservative Justices in. Hey, even a blind squirrel gets an occasional acorn.
For those of you that wanted everything ripped apart – congrats. You got it. Now it will be up to Joe Biden to piece it back together. Good luck with that.
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June 30, 2020 at 3:06 pm #917
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ParticipantOn the positives, you forget the economy and deregulation. No small feat given the anemic growth of the previous six years.
count me in as one who wanted everything “ripped apart” or better a full political disruption like we have had in other segments of society. And I am fine with the outcome and accompanying elucidations ( yes Virginia, there is a deep state).
No one is going to piece anything back together. it is broken and will only get worse. If Trump is re-elected the Resistance will get more extreme. And if Biden wins, I don’t expect the 40% to go away quietly. Further polarization’s and a serious internal conflict at a future time.
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June 30, 2020 at 3:06 pm #918
Rocky17ParticipantYour analysis of Trump is simplistic and trite, Lex. You are an attorney. Imagine trying to work for your client`s best interests while every day one fellow attorney or another in your firm is trying to undermine you with your client, his friends, his business interests or trying to put you into disrepute by lying about you to your prospective clients. Would you be as focused and successful as you might otherwise be? I think not in spades. What he has accomplished has been remarkable given the distractions including impeachment. What has been illegally done to him is unprecedented and 150 years ago would have led to a great number of people being hanged. He is not God and not able to overcome everything but until the pandemic he was among if not our most successful President in many arenas including foreign policy, confronting the correct enemy countries for the proper reasons and constructing policies that elevated the prosperity of all classes of people.
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June 30, 2020 at 5:54 pm #922
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Participant[quote quote=913]there is no question we are safer with trumpo at the helm. His calm guiding hand has reminded me of Eisenhower’s steady leadership. And besides that, he re-tweets all the coolest videos.[/quote][quote quote=914]Indeed Roscoe, once again your experience serves you well as you share your thinking about the Orange One. I bet you’ve found that your clients never care about the results at trial in the cases you handle. They are paying happily for your style, your good looks, your manners & and your cool motions and objections! I’m curious, are you able to you sell courtroom photos taken with your clients like the political types do? What’s your rate for a suitable portrait?[/qu
You were here to remember the Eisenhower steady hand. I though you were younger than me?
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June 30, 2020 at 6:33 pm #923
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ParticipantTrump is Nero. When he made fun of the disabled guy at the press conference he signaled what kind of a man he is. Now he’s chickenshit about his butt buddy Putin. Finally the Manchurian Candidate has arrived.
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June 30, 2020 at 7:39 pm #924
rjnwmillParticipantTC, read this article and ask yourself, am I being foolish to oversimplify the analysis of complex decisions; decisions that are driven to some degree by circumstances outside the control of a single individual? Decisions requiring individuals to deal with self interest as well as considerable uncertainty; in this case future election outcomes?
Are you comfortable conflating questionable taste & discretion with treason. Seems like more than a leap to me.
Trump, 5G & the “special” U.S. relationship with England
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June 30, 2020 at 8:31 pm #926
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ParticipantTreason? I propose incompetence at the top. Your boy loses either way. Either he wasn’t listening to his briefing or he blew it off. Now it’s biting him in the ass and his bimbo press sec offers this: “He is the most informed man in the world.”
The Groucho of our generation without the panache of the Marx Brothers.
It is so sad that it makes me want to laugh.
It’s the kids’ world now Bob. They are rolling the dice on Covid and they are leading the way to a more just society. You can roll with it or live in the past. I’m done so blast away.
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June 30, 2020 at 10:59 pm #930
rjnwmillParticipant[quote quote=926]…It’s the kids’ world now Bob. They are rolling the dice on Covid and they are leading the way to a more just society. You can roll with it or live in the past. I’m done so blast away.[/quote]
I agree completely…as to generational change. But as the name implies, it likely moves at the same pace it has during our lifetimes. Look back for a moment TC and pat yourself on your skinny little ass. We’ve matriculated the ball down the field during our time. But current lawlessness, the murders in Seattle for instance, will move the needle about as far as Kent State.
Our only difference my friend is you seem to be caught up in the moment. And unlike Lex, who sees the Trump driven pendulum moving to the left, I see the democratic embrace of the lawlessness, see defunding of police for instance, as a reprise of history, that being Pete Wilson and Prop 187. It may have gained an election win for and individual, but it permanently ended the relevance of the Republican Party in California politics. {And I note an important difference relative to the Orange One & immigration. One was pandering to a dying coalition, the other being necessary for the recreation of an American middle class.}.
Failing cities, policy driven expansion of a permanent underclass, international relations decoupled from long term economic and security interests, disavowing property rights, looting, burning, destruction of public property and denying free speech rights to your political opponents is not suitable long term positioning for any political party. Lex may be right as to 2020, although I doubt it, but this policy formulation is DoA.
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