America is finally out of Afghanistan. . . .

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    • #5173
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      but apparently, Americans and our allies are not. Shame on Biden for leaving hundreds of Americans and thousands of allies behind.

      One of our so called leaders was quoted as saying “we could be there 10 more days and still not get everyone out”. Guess we never planned, or cared enough, to get our people to safety.

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    • #5174
      LegendLegend
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      The question to ask isn’t whether Americans are left behind, it’s whether Americans who wanted to leave are left behind.

      The first data point is mere propaganda.  The second is a tragedy.

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      Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

    • #5177
      AvatarNeodymium60
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      We are the only country in the history of the world to spend $2 trillion on a war against a bunch of goatherds and lost.  In the end, the goatherds got $80 billion in advanced military equipment, total control of their country and a staging ground for future adventures.   As they eye our southern border for their lucrative heroin trade among other things.

      The people who are in charge of our country are divorced from reality.

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    • #5180
      Avatarrogpodge
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      I’m not an apologist for this administration’s complete failure to plan for a withdrawal from Afghanistan, but there have been worse.  Specifically, 1) the retreat of the Macedonians after Alexander the Great’s death resulted in a civil war, and the Greeks massacring the Macedonians settlers who revolted, and 2) the retreat of Lord Elphinstone after the First Anglo-Afghan war.  The 1842 retreat is eerily similar (those who don’t study the past are doomed to repeat it?) to what happened.  A technologically superior force comes in, defeats the local warlord, who retreats into the mountains and regroups.  Then he begins defeating the occupying force using guerilla tactics and capturing materiel, until he overruns Kabul.  Lord Elphinstone then negotiates for safe passage to Jalalabad, under the “protection” of the warlord.  Accounts vary, but apparently the warlord either goes back on his promise, or doesn’t control the passes the British will take (ISIS-K?).  About 4,500 British soldiers, with arms and cannons, and about 12,000 men, women, and children (mostly servants and translators and collaborators) set off for Jalalabad.  1 British combat surgeon survived (along with about three sepoys, or servants from India).  The remainder were killed in daily raids, frostbite / exposure (January in Afghanistan), summarily executed, or kidnapped and sold into slavery.

      As pathetic as the speeches were over the last two weeks, the media will still run cover (they already are… have you read the Washington Post?).

      The Iran deal all over again.  This administration, and these clowns (Jake Sullivan was Ben Rhodes’ aide) flat out told Israel they’re entering the Iran deal again, and now want to negotiate potential non-humanitarian aid to the Taliban to “incentivize” them to behave.  Idiots.

    • #5182
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
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      Wel…it must be about time to send Susan Rice out to do the Sunday talk shows?

      https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-call-before-afghan-collapse-biden-pressed-ghani-change-perception-2021-08-31/

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #5179
      Avatarrogpodge
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      We are not.  Not that I’m an apologist for anything about how this administration handled this withdrawal, but two withdrawals from history were worse: the Macedonian withdrawal from the Afghan region and the 1842 withdrawal of British troops after the first Anglo-Afghan war.

      The 1842 withdrawal is eerily similar: the local warlord was driven out, regrouped, began capturing materiel and then overran the garrison in Kabul.  Sir Elphinstone “negotiated” a withdrawal and safe passage to India and set off with 16,000 men, women, and children (about 4,500 troops, and about 12,000 civilians, including the equivalent of translators and their families).  One difference: they left in the middle of winter (January).  According to some sources, the warlord who took over didn’t control the mountain passes the British were going to take to get to Jalalabad, similar to the whole “ISIS-K” debacle.  One British surgeon survived (along with some Indian sepoys).

      https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article253866873.html

      More and more of these are trickling out.  There’s the group from El Cajon, too.  Ridiculous messaging throughout.  But they’re going to get away with it.  Why?  Because of this:

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