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RJ, I’m starting a new thread in case my response gets buried in the old one.
You didn’t like my Vanity Fair link in the other thread. Is the New York Times on your approved list? Here’s another analysis from a few days ago suggesting something similar to my conclusion: Red America’s Covid Problem.
You seem hung up on the racial aspect of all this — trying to tease out some conclusion that fits your agenda when there is perfectly good data on the political aspect. From the article:
The places with the lowest vaccination rates tend to be heavily Republican. In an average U.S. county that voted for Donald Trump, only 34 percent of people are fully vaccinated, according to New York Times data. In an average county that voted for Joe Biden, the share is 45 percent (and the share that has received at least one shot is higher).
No wonder, then, that the number of new cases keeps falling in Biden counties, while it has begun to rise in Trump counties.
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This looks bad for Trump.
Wait, what does voting for Biden or trump really mean when it comes to vaccination? I mean, really. It’s convenient but plenty of people in counties that “voted for trump” voted for Biden. It isn’t monolithic.
Is it possible something else is going on other than the prior presidential election? Could this be related to education levels, or public health funding, or local government or health system effectiveness?
Probably not, it’s probably just how people voted. Never mind.
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Well, there are thousands of counties so it’s statistically significant and not likely to be some anomaly.
As you suggested, there is also a correlation with education level. But less education does not automatically imply someone will necessarily be an anti-vaxxer. That wasn’t the case with polio, for example. More likely it has a basis in conservative media and politics. I admit that’s just a hunch. But invariably the antivaxxers, anti-maskers, etc., that I’ve come across tend to be MAGA folks.
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You’re far too sophisticated for me. Let’s keep it simple. What percentage of citizens in each county have been vaccinated with a vaccine developed under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed? What percentage have been vaccinated with a vaccine developed under Biden’s operation Come On Man? And by the way, hasn’t this administration failed to hit its July 1 target?
Your repetitive bull shit is essentially elitist. All you can bring to the table is a narrative of dissembling. “I know what’s right so shut up and do what I tell you”? It is a personal freedom issue. I voted for Trump. I got vaccinated early in the process. My choice. Now I don’t give a damn what others do; whether they voted for Trump or Biden. My choice “immunized” me from others choices. The same as smoking cigarettes. I quit 35 years ago as I was starting a family. Perhaps it’s been a positive for my long term morbidity. My choice. Not some government imposed mandate.
And as respects the virus, there is increasing evidence that China deliberately loosed this virus on the world. That they have ongoing research in biological weapons. That unrestricted global travel from Wuhan was facilitated by the Chinese government as travel within China was prohibited. What’s the US Government accomplished to prohibit such criminal behavior going forward? (All I can recall is Trump’s January 2020 travel ban.). Personally, I’m waiting for Joe to make Kammie his China Accountability Czar? She’s earned it no? But hey, I understand there’s a lot on Joe’s plate; fostering inflation, transferring hundreds of millions of dollars DAILY to Russia, Iran and our friends in the Middle East, importing low skilled workers, recreating our culture…
You stay focused on the elimination of personal choice in matters that have no impact on you…thanks to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.
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[quote quote=4938]Well, there are thousands of counties so it’s statistically significant and not likely to be some anomaly. As you suggested, there is also a correlation with education level. But less education does not automatically imply someone will necessarily be an anti-vaxxer. That wasn’t the case with polio, for example. More likely it has a basis in conservative media and politics. I admit that’s just a hunch. But invariably the antivaxxers, anti-maskers, etc., that I’ve come across tend to be MAGA folks.[/quote]
Again, a fairly simple question: if education level does not “automatically imply someone will necessarily be an anti-vaxxer” then why might who that person voted for in the last election “automatically imply” this? Are there other cultural factors in play that may not relate to who the person (individuals make a vaccination choice) voted for.
I suspect but won’t assume you know the answer to be yes. I suspect but won’t assume that you know there are plenty of black people who would never vote for a guy like trump but who also won’t voluntarily accept a government provided vaccine even when the government is focusing monumental time and money on reaching them. I suspect but won’t assume that you also know that there are a LOT of far left anti vaxxers out there.
Finally I suspect but won’t assume that you know you are towing a Democrat line that people who won’t take the vax now are “clearly” trump supporters because, hey, that’s why the president can’t meet his own goals: evil opposition.
The real question is this: how hard is the administration pushing for awareness in the communities where Billy Bob trump voter lives? I can assure you that funds targeted at reluctant whiteys pale in comparison to funds targeted at reluctant black folks, who have been a priority from the start.
Until that is sorted, comparing the two voting blocks isn’t worth spit.
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[quote quote=4939]Your far too sophisticated for me. Let’s keep it simple. What percentage of citizens in each county have been vaccinated with a vaccine developed under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed? What percentage have been vaccinated with a vaccine developed under Biden’s operation Come On Man? And by the way, hasn’t this administration failed to hit its July 1 target? Your repetitive bull shit is essentially elitist. All you can bring to the table is a narrative of dissembling. “I know what’s right so shut up and do what I tell you”? It is a personal freedom issue. I voted for Trump. I got vaccinated early in the process. My choice. Now I don’t give a damn what others do whether they voted for Trump or Biden. My choice “immunized” my from others choices. The same as smoking cigarettes. I quit 35 years ago as I was starting a family. Perhaps it’s been a positive for my long term morbidity. My choice. Not some government imposed mandate. And as respects the virus, is increasing evidence that China deliberately loosed this virus on the world. That they have ongoing research in chemical weapons. That unrestricted global travel from Wuhan was facilitated by the Chinese government as travel within China was prohibited. What’s the US Government accomplished to prohibit such criminal behavior going forward? (All I can recall is Trump’s January 2020 travel ban.). Personally, I’m waiting for Joe to make Kammie his China Accountability Czar? She’s earned it no? But hey, I understand there’s a lot on Joe’s plate; fostering inflation, transferring hundreds of millions of dollars DAILY to Russia, Iran and our friends in the Middle East, importing low skilled workers, recreating our culture… You stay focused on the elimination of personal choice in matters that have no impact on you…thanks to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.[/quote]
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[quote quote=4959]Heard on the news today that Covid cases are on the rise in San Francisco, with Mayor Breed leading the charge to get people vaccinated. According to her and the report, the rise is disproportionately impacting people of color, as they have a much lower vaccination rate. . . .[/quote]
I doubt we’ll ever know, but I wonder if there can be causation established between our open borders policy during the last six months and the increased case rates?
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Just curious, what’s the correlation coefficient (r) of the data? There seems to be a lot of noise in that chart. It would be easy to “find” a correlation with political party and ignore stronger correlations to other factors / variables. Why isn’t that in the study? Probably because the journalists / “academics” wanted to find a result and found it. I could probably get a stronger correlation to, say, income, education, autoimmune disease incidence, and population density.
That being said, isn’t the solution simple, given your one-variable way of thinking? Give Trump credit for the vaccines.
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Just curious, what’s the correlation coefficient (r) of the data? There seems to be a lot of noise in that chart. It would be easy to “find” a correlation with political party and ignore stronger correlations to other factors / variables. Why isn’t that in the study? Probably because the journalists / “academics” wanted to find a result and found it.
After 37 years in marketing, I’d say that’s a pretty darned accurate description of how the media approaches a story.
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The politicization of the issue has made it all but impossible to get straightforward information from the media. Trump is largely responsible for this – it is almost impossible for a President confronting a natural disaster not to emerge with additional prestige, but somehow he managed – but God knows the opposition did its best as well. Whether it’s the origins of the virus, or patterns of vaccination, you’re not going to get a neutral report.
That said, it seems to me madness not to receive the vaccination, and utterly irrational. Why the government is not aggressively pushing a vaccination passport protocol, which would provide a powerful inducement to vaccinate, baffles me.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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“Natural disaster” or wwiii?
Hard to tell with all the misinformation going around.
Trump won’t be judged fairly because he’s an a-hole, but if his name was Donald J Bush he would be lauded for what the federal government put into action last year. Just came out today that the total recession from Covid was 2 months long, and what a recession it was. The fact that the US has not one but three viable vaccines within a one year period is nothing short of amazing, and the president saying it would happen was another trump lie.
If we were just calling balls and strikes trump would have an overall positive executive record. He also faced the most rabid opposition since Lincoln. But, he IS a narcissistic jerk, and one who has limited political sensitivities when it comes to saving his skin.
But yeah, I’m thankful for the vaccine.
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A more balanced view, this time discussing the relative correlations between certain variables. Hey, actual journalism instead of political journactivism.
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What’s your point? I imagine I could put a similar graph up comparing population density and vaccination rates.
Read the last paragraph. In short, the originally posted “study” is a bunch of political scientists manipulating data to try to make people like BTD feel superior to others.
Notice they didn’t break it down by race. Vaccination rates among minorities (not including Asian-Americans) are low.
You want to talk about vaccines and politics? How about Kamala and the Democrats basically telling people the vaccine wasn’t coming, and wasn’t going to be safe on the campaign trail? What about this:
If you think he’s a politically neutral person without a political agenda, maybe he’s the source of the originally posted study, finding data to fit his internal narrative.
“Dr. Eric Topol, head of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, said the gaps in COVID-19 vaccination can be traced directly to political influences, particularly what he called ‘anti-science’ attitudes among Republican leaders.” https://t.co/OystgBsT2E
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