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    • #7590
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Thanks to literally decades of civic mismanagement, Nordstrom finally closed their downton SF department store. Here’s a list of Union Square stores that have closed recently. All of these within a few blocks of Union Square. Sad.

      Abercrombie & Fitch
      Anthropologie
      Arcteryx
      AT&T
      Banana Republic
      Brooks Brothers
      CB2
      Cinemark
      Coco Republic
      Container Store
      Crate & Barrel
      Disney Store
      DSW/Designer SHoe Warehouse
      Gap
      Goorin Brothers
      H&M
      Hilton
      Huntington
      La Cocina
      Marmot
      Nordstrom
      Nordstrom Rack
      Old Navy
      Office Depot
      Omega
      Parc55
      Ray Ban
      Saks Off Fifth
      Uniglo
      Yotel

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    • #7591
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      Disney left? Wow, guess profits over social equity after all. . . .

    • #7608
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
      Participant

      Portland is following SF down the toilet.  Nordstrom, REI, Columbia Sports, Standard Insurance are some of the big names fleeing the downtown area. Hoffman Construction is moving out, citing a lack of “space” to meet it’s needs, even though the building they currently occupy has nearly 100,000 sf available for lease.

      True to it’s liberal core, a committee has been formed to study the problem.  Never mind the committee consists of many of the same people that created the current mess. Why are businesses leaving? Gee, maybe things like two random stabbings influence people to stay away.  Maybe it’s because a woman walking down a sidewalk got her face caved in when she was hit with a metal water bottle.  There was no connection between her and her attacker.

      Go figure…..

    • #7620
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      As of April, 2,600 businesses had left downtown Portland. Four in five businesses reported being vandalized. The measure that decriminalized small amounts of drugs attracted druggies. It’s an ongoing shit show.

      Portland’s Meltdown: A Progressive Experiment That ‘Has Gone Colossally Bad’ | CBN News

      BTW, my son and I attended the Padres v. Giants game in San Diego yesterday. Fairly substantial homeless / drug addicts / tent city issues there as well.

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    • #7763
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Mayor Breed wants drug testing for welfare recipients. Maybe there’s hope after all.

      A seismic shift to the right in San Francisco

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    • #7788
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      And this just in…seven Starbucks locations (out of 59) in SF will close. Deterioration in quality of life, survey in which 97% of San Francisco’s restaurants have experienced graffiti or property crime in the last 30 days, SF’s office vacancy rate is 30%, population has shrunk by 40,000 residents, and Moody’s has lowered San Francisco’s credit rating outlook, given the city’s $780 million budget shortfall caused by declining tax revenues…that’s in the face of a $13.95 billion budget.

      SF Budget allocation (per SF Chronicle) is as follows:

      1. Public works/transportation, $5.1 billion
      2. Community health, $3.0 billion
      3. Human welfare & neighborhood development, $2.8 billion
      4. Public protection, $1.9 billion
      5. General city responsibilities, $1.8 billion
      6. Admin & Finance, $1.4 billion

       

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    • #7820
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      And now it’s affecting Oakland, as a lovely pub which was open even during COVID is forced to close because of spiraling crime.

      Irish pub forced to shutter as California crime wave scares patrons away

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    • #7821
      Avatarrogpodge
      Participant

      Apropos of nothing, when will we start seeing the departures of all fast food restaurants from the state? $15 per hour minimum wage will make it awfully hard to stay in business. Also, how high will youth unemployment go?

    • #7822
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      A friend of mine owns four Burger King franchises. He doesn’t discuss money, but he told me that between the commodity inflation of the last few years coupled with the rise in labor costs, his expenses rose 4x faster than he was able to increase revenue.

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    • #7829
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      [quote quote=7763]Mayor Breed wants drug testing for welfare recipients. Maybe there’s hope after all. A seismic shift to the right in San Francisco[/quote]

      Hadn’t seen that. Wow, good to see.

    • #7862
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      San Jose is now experiencing 96% of the visits to the city’s urban core that occurred in 2019, the final full year before the COVID shutdown. That’s the third highest level of activity in the 66 downtown districts in North America, trailing only the 103% for Las Vegas and 97% in El Paso (study by University of Toronto, used mobile phone activity as the measuring stick). Office workers are at about 40%.

      News is not so good in other California cities. San Francisco is only at 67% of its pre-coronavirus visits, and Oakland is at 74% of their pre-COVID visits.

      Hope emerges that downtown San Jose economic rebound is underway

      And here’s the link to the study’s graphic:

      https://downtownrecovery.com/charts/rankings

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    • #7866
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      I just read that in 2017 there were 221 fatal fentanyl and other drug overdoses in San Francisco. In 2019, it was 441. Through 8/31/23, there were 563, which projects to a total of 841 drug fatalities. City attorney Dennis Herrera tried to use injunctions to keep dealers out of the Tenderloin.

      Herrera files 28 civil lawsuits to keep known drug dealers out of the Tenderloin – City Attorney of San Francisco (sfcityattorney.org)

      But an appeals court ruled that they couldn’t keep drug dealers out.

      Court rules San Francisco can’t ban suspected drug dealers from neighborhood – Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

      A separate article quoted multiple drug dealers as not caring about their customers or their deaths. They can make $350k annually peddling poison. The SF DA files 800 to 1,000 drug arrests and cases per year, but judges allow even repeat offenders to be let out. The new DA has been in office for 15 months and only recently convicted her first drug dealer.

      Here are reasons why San Francisco has hard time convicting drug dealers – ABC7 San Francisco (abc7news.com)

      SF has 20 centers that offer drug paraphernelia; e.g., clean syringes, foil, pipes, etc. in hopes of reducing overdoses. Perhaps they should reallocate their resources into abstinence, getting people clean

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    • #7905
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Mayor Breed had originally campaigned on “defund the police” then snuck back in a 4.4% increase in their budget from 2019 through 2022. Now she wants to cut it again…or more accurately, needs to cut it again, thanks to the continuing retail and business exodus from San Francisco.

      San Francisco worker posts terrifying walk past drug-addled homeless people passed out on the sidewalk in the city’s Tenderloin district | Daily Mail Online

      $9.1 mms. cuts to the Sheriff/DA, $18.5 mms. cuts in the police department, $10.5 mms. cuts to the fire department. $26 mms. cut to public health, $15.4 million cut to their crappy transportation system, and $9 mms. cut to the homeless.

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    • #7995
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      SF Supervisor Dean Preston claims the city’s homelessness problem is “absolutely” the result of capitalism and that it’s “counterproductive” to arrest people openly doing drugs.

      His district includes the Tenderloin. Of course. He proposes cutting $100 mms. from the bloated police department budget. He wants a law that would ban security guards from drawing their weapons for property crimes.

      San Francisco Democrat says homelessness crisis in his district is ‘absolutely the result of capitalism’ (msn.com)

      In other news, Elon Musk says Preston “is the person most responsible for the destruction of San Francisco.” and calls for him to be fired.

      Elon Musk calls for San Francisco supervisor to be fired over city’s ‘destruction’ amid crime surge (foxnews.com)

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    • #8031
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Despite billions spent, new data shows almost a third of the nation’s homeless now live in California. That’s 181,000 people, folks.

      Despite billions spent, new data shows almost a third of the nation’s homeless now live in California

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    • #8077
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Thanks to literally decades of civic mismanagement, Nordstrom finally closed their downton SF department store. Here’s a list of Union Square stores that have closed recently. All of these within a few blocks of Union Square. Sad.

      Abercrombie & Fitch
      Anthropologie
      Arcteryx
      AT&T
      Banana Republic
      Brooks Brothers
      CB2
      Cinemark
      Coco Republic
      Container Store
      Crate & Barrel
      Disney Store
      DSW/Designer SHoe Warehouse
      Gap
      Goorin Brothers
      H&M
      Hilton
      Huntington
      La Cocina
      Marmot
      Nordstrom
      Nordstrom Rack
      Old Navy
      Office Depot
      Omega
      Parc55
      Ray Ban
      Saks Off Fifth
      Uniglo
      Yotel
      Five more stores have departed the San Francisco downtown mall or are about to depart, including Adidas, Aldo, J. Crew, Madewell, and Lucky Brand. The mall now sits 75% empty and has lost $1 billion in value. Bloomingdale’s has 312,000 square feet, and people think they’re likely to leave as well.

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    • #8078
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      spend billions of dollars to “stop” anything and you are bound to get more of it.

      [quote quote=8031]Despite billions spent, new data shows almost a third of the nation’s homeless now live in California. That’s 181,000 people, folks.

      [/quote]

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      Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

    • #8079
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      spend billions of dollars to “stop” anything and you are bound to get more of it.

      Despite billions spent, new data shows almost a third of the nation’s homeless now live in California

      https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/12/28/despite-billions-spent-new-data-shows-almost-a-third-of-the-nations-homeless-now-live-in-california/embed/#?secret=eZB5MswIte#?secret=oRVsOBpvSH

      Couldn’t agree more. I’d suggest changing “Despite” to “Because of” in the title. I recall seeing one disappointed homeless/disabled person say during a television interview “I can’t believe they eliminated that program. I mean, that’s the reason I came to California.”

      Well, no kidding. And that’s why we have so many homeless here. Soft touch government, soft touch populace, mild weather. Presto…if you’re unhoused, you’re welcome in California. Try not to kill any taxpayers while you’re here.

      I’m not unsympathetic to someone who has fallen on hard times. But to quote a close family member who had formerly selected homelessness as a lifestyle choice “It’s attractive. No boss, you sleep out under the stars, and all you have to worry about is finding something to eat. And that’s not hard.” She is still attracted to the lifestyle in general, but she had a few close calls from unruly fellow homeless folks, so she now rents a condo. And as someone who’s seen one homeless man stab another, and who’s been threatened twice myself…I’d just as soon see homeless people someplace other than on our streets.

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    • #8301
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      The closings are nationwide, a retail bloodbath, not just SF:

      Total closures were 5,463 in 2023, a 30 percent increase on 2022

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    • #8302
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      Clearly, Bed Bath and Beyond shouldn’t have canceled the My Pillow guy. . . .

      • #8303
        Mick1Mick1
        Participant

        I saw that Barnes & Noble dropped another 27 stores. More interesting to me is that B&N had 725 stores at their peak, but are only down to 604. Meanwhile, Crown Books, Walden Books, B. Dalton, and Borders have all gone completely out of business.

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    • #8365
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      British Columbia is making public drug use illegal again.

      https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ar-BB1lZ7kD

      At least they’re headed in the right direction.

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    • #8366
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      University of Toronto, analyzing cell phone data, has found that visits to downtown San Jose (+28.2%) and downtown Oakland (+20.6%) have skyrocketed, while visits to downtown SF have (-21.6%) plummeted:

      Downtown San Jose visit activity soars, Oakland jumps, San Francisco nosedives

      Downtown Recovery | School of Cities

      LA and San Diego are also up by 20%+.

      And as of April, 2025, Google is leaving downtown San Francisco, as has KPMG. Well done and congratulations, lefty San Francisco Progressives. Your long-term pursuit of elimination of all private enterprise and its related income continues to be very successful:

      Google to leave prominent SF waterfront office tower (msn.com)

       

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