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I kind of see where Vance is coming from. Huge territory, sparsely populated (57,792) Russia, China and the U. S. covet it.
JD Vance issues warning to Denmark over Greenland
Frankly, the U. S. should buy it, if we really want it. $57 billion gives $1 million to every resident. Our GDP is $36 trillion, I think we can afford it.
Interesting to me that so many people consider Americans/Trump to be immoral for wanting Greenland. We’re talking about a territory that Danish Vikings invaded, then forced Christianity on the inhabitants and don’t even get me started about Spiral Case (forced implantation of IUDs in women of child-bearing age by the Danes). Denmark only formally declared sovereignty over Greenland in 1921, though Norway also declared in 1931, but an international court found that Norway transferred its interests to Denmark in 1814.
18 separate U. S. presidents have talked about bringing Greenland into the American orbit. U. S. Sec of State, William Seward who negotiated the Alaska Purchase considered annexing both Greenland and Iceland. Americans tried to buy it in 1910, Cordell Hull discussed it in 1939, former members of the U. S. Coast Guard landed. Americans built a military post in WWII, then never left, declining Denmark’s “invitation” to leave. In 1946, we offered $100 million in gold to Denmark to buy it, and as an alternative, offered to trade Point Barrow, Alaska to Denmark (site of the Prudhoe Bay Oil Field, richest petroleum discovery in American history). There were discussions in 1955, Nelson Rockefeller talked about it.
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Then fucking buy it. Or make an offer at least. But stop acting like a fascist bully dictator suggesting to our (former?) friends and allies that the U.S. might need to invade. JFC.
I’d love to own my neighbors property too. But I’m not going to start telling him I may need to just move my family in and kick his family out.
What planet do you guys live on where Trump’s behavior is acceptable.
A few times in the past week, Trump bluntly said the U.S. is going to make a move on Greenland “whether they like it or not”. The Trump regime has publicly said the U.S. military is “always an option” for acquiring Greenland. That’s not normal diplomatic language. WTF.
Is there not an ounce of criticism any of you can muster, or are y’all completely drinking the Kool Aide now and can no longer understand how insane this approach is?
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Not me. They’re owned by a NATO country. Offer to buy it, it’s literally a drop in the bucket.
Trump’s Venezuela, Greenland threats make Canada fear it’s next
Pass on Canada. Except for British Columbia and Alberta, the other provinces are (a) in worse demographic shape than America and (b) have worse public debt problems than America. Quebec is in terrible shape, Ontario not much better. Their national health system has dragged them down among other publicly funded goodies.
At some point, Alberta and British Columbia are going to collectively realize that they are the only working provinces that will be expected to support the other eight provinces and three territories.
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I post on Substack these days. A note I wrote, as I watch Andrew Sullivan, Anne Applebaum – paragons of common sense at one time – lose their heads and reputation over Trump. Thunderdome might also take heed.
[TDS in action is that large segment of the opposition that does not want Trump to act in Iran because . . if the action succeeds . . . it would help Trump. That’s to put the cart before the horse, a metaphor that actually does not do justice to how lunatic the inversion of values is.
I am a Trump opponent and will remain so, but of course I hope that the US intervenes in Iran and that it is successful; that the reorganization of Venezuela improves the lot of Venezuelans; that the fragile truce in Gaza holds up; and that – as improbable as it seems – a peace between the Ukraine and Russia can be brokered. If Trump succeeds in all these, or even partially, of course he’d win the Nobel Peace Prize. Who else?
And he will still not get my vote, because he undercuts all this with a deliberate taunting and narcissistic personal style intended to create anger and frustration. He gloats and sneers. It’s the worst Presidential style imaginable.
But I want him to succeed because the world will be far better off he does. There are an increasing number of idiots (no other word) that would like to see all these efforts fail because . . . if they succeed . . . IT’LL HELP TRUMP! Er. . . help him do what, exactly? Opposition to Trump has become an end in itself, and the means is the failure of all sorts of promising schemes, so much the better.
That’s the essence of Trump Derangement Syndrome.]
Applebaum in particular should by rights have applauded the action against Maduro, and the potential against Iran. But because it’s Trump . . .
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
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The most relevant question I keep hearing the Democrats ask themselves is “What do we stand for?” — spoiler alert — there are two answers, one quite ably pointed out by GR “Orange Man Bad.” If that’s all you stand for, then all you stand for is impeding the Federal government:
Minnesota, Illinois sue Trump administration to block immigration surges
The second answer, reflecting P. J. O’Rourke’s definition of the Left as “a compendium of nits and quarrels” is to try to balance many, multiple competing demands that can’t possibly be reconciled. There’s not enough money, and to be frank…there are built-in conflicts, disagreements, prejudices and hatreds between groups on the Left.
An odd result of this competition is that the only thing the opposing Lefty groups can really agree on is that Straight White Men Suck And Cause All Our Problems. Then, they lose an election as they lose both straight white men and men of other races and gender preferences, and wonder how to get them back after decades of telling them that they’re the problem. Enter the “tough-guy Progressives”
The prime of tough-guy progressivism
The problem with fighting the Feds is that they have infinitely more resources to throw at you, and if you have a vengeful President who doesn’t need to be re-elected, he’s only happy to oblige; e.g., “If you think my current ICE commitment is too much, wait until I send 2,000 more ICE agents…”
2,000 ICE agents raid Minneapolis Somali community in ‘largest immigration operation ever’
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Last point on TDS: the Left is intentionally creating a hazardous environment for the Federal government to do its job:
DHS: “These attacks are a direct consequence of demonization of our officers by politicians”
Trump gets shot, 3,200% increases in threats on ICE agents…it’s all the same, all demanded by Lefty politicians who want nothing more than an actual physical war with actual casualties against the Right. The rhetoric of the Right is nothing like the Left’s inflammatory rhetoric.
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US talks pose ‘conundrum’ for Greenland, Denmark: Analysts
Vance and Rubio are meeting with the Danish Foreign Minister and the Greenlandic Foreign Minister.
Should be an interesting conversation. I wonder what the U. S. is prepared to offer to Greenland and Denmark. $57 billion each?
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