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https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1529992524986830854
Serial hoaxer makes claim that Gov. Abbot offered money for a photo op. Journalists run with it without any critical thought or checking, and then it gets amplified by the very online part of Twitter (including Keith Olbermann, Amy Siskins, celebrities, etc.).
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnTheMainGuy1/status/1529815896407134210
A reference to a chief editor’s tweet saying AR rifles were designed for the Nazis (Armalite was founded in the 50’s), and another journalist’s critique of the one entrance during instruction hours policies. Tell me again why we should value the opinions of journalists.
On a side note, the more we learn about the Uvalde shootings, the more we learn that adults failed those kids. Especially the officers. No one appears to be praising the Border Patrol officers, strangely enough. Apparently it goes against the narrative.
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On a related note, a GOP Rep falsely tweeted that the shooter was a trans leftist illegal alien. The lie went viral among the right and allegedly got at least one transgender person assaulted in Texas.
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And no surprise, other right wingers claiming this was a false flag conspiracy by the government to justify tighter gun control.
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[quote quote=6122]And no surprise, other right wingers claiming this was a false flag conspiracy by the government to justify tighter gun control. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101479269/texas-uvalde-school-shooting-misinformation-conspiracy-far-right[/quote]
I believe Ms. Owens (who amplified the fringe theories) should just own her mistake, and Rep. Gosar is prone to being suckered by these folks. But if you want to go down this path, let’s talk about all the people who immediately hoped / thought the shooter was a white supremacist. Not fringe elements as admitted in the NPR article, but a Stanford law professor, and a LA Times columnist. Interesting that NPR went to the depths of 4chan and Patriotfront (?), but they didn’t want to cover bad takes and conspiracy theories on the other side. Did NPR cover the white supremacy angle or the hoaxer? Did businessinsider? See how it works?
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/salvador-ramos-arrested-four-years-ago-pol-says/
I’ll pre-empt you by saying I don’t believe this because there’s no evidence. It may be true and it may not be true. Rep. Gonzales wants it to be true, but until someone with access to a sealed juvenile record comes forth, in my view it isn’t true.
When there is a tragedy, humans try to process it in different ways. In this politicized environment, both sides tend to rationalize in a way consistent with their beliefs. My point was that “mainstream” journalists, celebrities, and pundits have primed the public to believe hoaxes and false information that they want to believe, and sell that information as legitimate. Then they turn around and create a disinformation industry and a fact checking process to further launder their opinions and make them feel superior.
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You’ll have to point me to these white supremacy theories that NPR didn’t cover. I’m not disagreeing, but not sure what you’re alluding to. Perhaps you can provide a link… Are you referring to the fact that last week the media called out “white replacement theory” that motivated the Buffalo mass shooter – and which has become a fairly mainstream conservative talking point?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bonchieredstate/status/1530592364066230273
Plenty of takes similar to this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mldauber/status/1529236648386473984
Maybe it’s notable that you aren’t willing to even look to see if your sources speculated that this incident was white supremacy or tried to tie this to white supremacy. Or that the New York subway shooters were white supremacists. Or that the kid who set up the sniper’s nest in DC last month was a white supremacist.
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I get it. Liberals have gone overboard with the white supremacy thing. I agree with that.
But you think I should be reading every article and asking myself why it doesn’t mention white supremacy?
Do you ask yourself why the media posted here never mentions right wing nutcases?
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Simple. Do I feel like I need to go to the fringe and the craziest parts of the internet to find bad takes? Why should I go to the parts of the Internet that I know has the lowest quality information for filth that no one should amplify? NPR apparently has a reporter to do that for you. Were those theories making it into the mainstream or affecting the real world? I didn’t mention Ms. Owens’ mistake because plenty in the mainstream media did so. But when the false facts, and the baiting of the public comes from the journalists and the media, then I point it out.
If the right wing conspiracy theory starts trending on Twitter, or being spread (not mocked) by journalists, maybe I’ll post about it. If it results in real world trends or news, I’d be happy to acknowledge that it’s bad.
But if you simply type in “Ted Cruz tweets” into Twitter right now, you’ll see a bunch of purported identical tweets after tragedies, including coverage from Newsweek that describes the tweets and links to a CNN debunk (see? You probably saw the debunk, too).
An image purporting to show identical tweets from Sen. Ted Cruz after 12 mass shootings is fabricated. It includes a real message from Cruz following Tuesday’s school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, but he hasn’t tweeted the exact same message a dozen times. https://t.co/haqibvq6cd
— AP Fact Check (@APFactCheck) May 27, 2022
The hoax was exposed by at least 10:18AM on May 27. The debunked images are still in the top results and latest results on Twitter, mostly being tweeted in response to Ted Cruz’s remarks at the NRA convention and to the story of him getting yelled at in a restaurant. While I don’t agree with going ahead with addressing the NRA convention, or his knee-jerk reaction in favor of the NRA, I don’t think he should be harassed at a restaurant. I also believe that the NRA has a First Amendment (and Second Amendment, I suppose) right to exist.
My proposal isn’t that you read every article. But you appear to be in a information silo, and you simply absorb what you’re told by journalists and the media. For example, the Great Replacement Theory you cite above. What, exactly, is it? And if you have a precise definition, what is the origin of the Great Replacement Theory? What was its exact relevance to the Buffalo shooting? Did you read the manifesto (or at least an accurate summary) for yourself? Did you notice a disconnect between how the Buffalo shooter described himself and the origins of his madness and who the journalists blamed for the shootings?
If you know what it is, when the media conflates it with a general discussion of demographics as a political strategy, do you acknowledge that Democrats have been touting demographic change as their long-term political strategy since at least the 1990’s (do we need to discuss Tammany Hall)? Is it racist when Democrats do it overtly, or only when the media tells you it’s racist because Republicans are “hinting” or “alluding” or “connected” to it? Or are you predisposed to accepting media propaganda? Even your arguments are very similar to opinions put out by journalists that are misinformed (my original point, see above), require mind-reading, and create straw-man positions that are easier to knock down than people’s actual arguments. Don’t simply accept journalists’ opinions / arguments at face value, find the evidence yourself and evaluate it independently, with a skeptical eye.
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Journalism died during the birth of social media. “News” is now all about telling a story, not about reporting. It is no longer about getting it right, it is all about getting it first.
Exhibit 1 – Duke Lacrosse rape case.
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Right you are Dave. Look no further than the headlines on the coverage of Trump’s remarks to the NRA regarding the Texas school shooting.
- Trump zeroes in on school security, mental health in campaign-style NRA speech- NBC
- Donald Trump and Fellow GOP Monsters Will Still Attend NRA Event in Texas- Vanity Fair
- Trump Demands “Impenetrable Security” at Schools Following Texas Massacre- But No Gun Control- Forbes
- At NRA Meeting, Trump Reads Names of Uvalde Victims to Gong Sounds- Business Insider
- How Much Did the NRA Pay to Buy Off the GOP?- Democrats,Org
- In Speech to NRA, Trump Calls Texas School Shooting ‘Savage and Barbaric’, Reads Name of Each Victim- Union Bulletin (The article has quotes from both Trump & Cruz’s remarks)
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[quote quote=6133]…But you think I should be reading every article and asking myself why it doesn’t mention white supremacy?[/quote]
Reading your post takes me back to the golden age of our fourth estate. Back in the day, “articles” were more commonly referred to as “stories”.
Just one more example of the prostitution of our language. We get nothing but “stories” these days. And generally they are so outlandish, they aren’t even well crafted fiction. The plots today are sophomoric.
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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