RBG, ending on a truly low note

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    • #2639
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
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      Death by cancer is in no way a surprise. 30 days, 45 days, 90 days; her doctors told her how this would play out.

      RBG knew she wouldn’t be a part of the 20-21 court session…yet she elected to postpone the filling of the vacancy to the last possible moment?  For what?

      Politics proved more important to her than the constitutional institution she served. What an unfortunate end to an important career.

      Orange may get another vote just before the 9 wise souls determine the election results?  Mick, how might this impact the outcome?  How long is Kavanaugh’s memory?  Feinstein, Harris, Hirono, Spartacus et al may have to deal with the unintended consequences of there misguided attempt/decision to force Orange to withdraw the nomination.

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #2640
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      All I can say is get your popcorn ready, this is going to bring out the long knives.

      and, yes I agree with you about rbg’s actions, but this isn’t really the time for it. We all knew this was coming.

      RIP.

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      Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

    • #2641
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      This will dominate the news until and after the election.  McConnell better bring his A game.  I doubt any nominee will come to a vote until after November 3 because of the election pressures on vulnerable Republican incumbents.  McConnell will not allow a vote unless he knows he has the magic 51 locked.  I do not trust Gardner, Collins or even Romney.  We should thank Alabama infighting and that pervert candidate for the Doug Jones fiasco that may cause us to lose Amy Coney Barrett as a new judge during this term.

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    • #2642
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      It will do that. But am I the only one who sees a difference between a lame duck president making a nomination in the election year and a first term president doing so?  The whole narrative supposed a “new president” which is a bit premature.

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    • #2645
      Avatargpn38
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      [quote quote=2640]All I can say is get your popcorn ready, this is going to bring out the long knives. and, yes I agree with you about rbg’s actions, but this isn’t really the time for it. We all knew this was coming. RIP.[/quote]

      whatever happens, THIS is going to be entertaining. POTUS has nothing to lose and a lot to gain here. Honestly, Gardner, McSally, and maybe Collins are toast anyway. So they can vote as they see fit. Daines and Tillis will reinforce their party credentials by voting yes to a Trump nominee. The Ds will do all they can to avoid a vote and will be seen as obstructionists and anyone who cares about the court on the R side will have to show up and vote. Locked up due to a D governor with nothing to do?. This will be better than Netflix.
      popcorn ready hell yes.

    • #2647
      Avatarrogpodge
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      PLEASE, give her death 24 hours before bringing politics into this.  Ruth Bader Ginsberg was an extraordinary advocate, litigated some of the most historical and difficult cases, and was a delightful woman.  Even if I disagreed with her on legal issues, I respected her intellect and her skills.  Justice Scalia and Justice Ginsberg modeled how people who disagreed with each other vehemently in court could hold a lifelong friendship.

      I know the infighting and discord has already begun, but I, for one, would like to be able to admire and remember her for at least a day without thinking about the political polarization that will follow.  People (especially female lawyers) are hurting, and grieving, and we should let them have their grief without plunging ourselves into yet another polarizing debate.  If they choose to go to that place, so be it, but I would rather we give her grace for at least a day.

      Thank you, in advance.

    • #2649
      AvatarNeodymium60
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      Yes politics to her last breath.  No rest for the wicked.

      Good news for Trump though.  He will nominate a candidate Tues.  Cackling Kamala Harris is on the Judiciary committee and will be taken off the campaign trail and the country gets to see what’s she is all about.   Diane Feinstein gets to take another clean shot at Amy Coney Barret’s Christian beliefs.

      This will be rough Democracy at it’s best.  Can’t wait.

      Edge Orange team.

    • #2650
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      Rog I agree with you about the timing and the need to respect a significant american. I’ve been impressed with the news coverage on that front.

      I don’t agree about the “hurting” and such. She was 87 and everybody knew she had gone to great lengths to conceal the realities of her infirmity. The Scalia death was much more shocking and saddening because it was sudden.  Anybody who was caught off guard by this and is somehow shocked and saddened really is either just being dramatic or is painfully uninformed.

      The sad part of all this is, like we are finding with many boomers in power (EDIT, she was not a boomer, but the comparison fits),  she didn’t know when to call it quits. Or, if she did, her politics got in the way.  That and the quote being attributed to her from her relative about a “new president” say a lot about what drove her to the end.

      I honor her and at the same time don’t have a problem saying that in the end it was ideology that ruled her. And, that’s ok as long as she was comfortable that her legacy would possibly be scarred with a massive partisan fight because she couldn’t retire in her early 80s when Obama would have  easily replaced her with another wise liberal.

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      • #2653
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant

        Well said.

        RBG, to the end, let what is wrong with our judiciary/politics define her service.

        With her departure stage left, she also puts the fool to our Chief Justice and his assertion that the judiciary is apolitical. How divorced from reality is the man?

        He observed her comments on Trump. He saw her refusal to depart. Is Roberts that ignorant re human behavior; a worrisome trait in someone in his job…or simply a liar?

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #2654
      Rocky17Rocky17
      Participant

      Bob, we cannot leave it up to Justice Roberts to decide a contested Presidential election.  There must be a conservative justice confirmation ASAP.

      • #2655
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
        Participant
        • One thing you gotta love about Orange…he’ll force people to make decisions. No comfortable coasting allowed when he has a responsibility to discharge.
        Donald J. Trump
        “We were put in this position of power and importance to make decisions for the people who so proudly elected us, the most important of which has long been considered to be the selection of United States Supreme Court Justices. We have this obligation, without delay.”
        In our democracy, if a leader has the stones, things like this force our elected “representatives” to reflect the wishes of a majority of their constituents. No self serving posturing allowed. Orange forces our system to work as intended regardless of the outcome.  +1 Orange

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #2659
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Wow.  Lots to unpack here.  In no particular order:

      1. Yes, RBG was a judicial titan.  She was also a politician to the core.  There was a degree of pressure on her to step down during Obama’s last year in office, on the off-chance that Trump would actually win.  She refused, holding on to power which is what most politicians and old lawyers do, given half a chance.
      2. Yes, RBG and Scalia got along well.  I noted that RBG exclaimed with some surprise that she found Scalia likeable.  That’s how it is on the Left, isn’t it?  They’re shocked and amazed when Republicans are fairly normal.
      3. Trump will and should nominate someone right away.  And I’d say that if there was a Democratic Senate and a Democratic president. He has a job and an obligation to fulfill that job.  And I anticipate that he will nominate Amy Coney Barrett, rigid Catholic, adopter of many children, etc.
      4. Normally ACB would be palatable to lefties, but of course, that can’t happen.  No member of a diverse group is allowed to step out of line with Lefty ideology, lest they be smote down.
      5. Yes, Kamala Harris is on the judicial committee, and she doesn’t do well in public.  I wonder if the Dems will have her, essentially, sit this one out as the Dems had pervert Chappaquiddick lady killer Teddy Kennedy sit it out when they were grilling Clarence Thomas?
      6. Roberts is a RINO, and — in the words of Joe Biden — Come on, man.  He’s obviously wildly aware of politics.  Would you expect him to say anything else?  Of course he’s going to downplay the role of politics in judicial decisions, for the same reason that Obama said that his health tax wasn’t a tax (which Roberts found was a tax).  Because he has a political objective and lying advances his objective.
      7. Can’t wait to see the fake Catholics Pelosi and Biden crap all over the actual Catholic Amy Comey Barrett.  Should be great fun.
      8. I don’t think there will be a vote until after the election.  Collins has already stated that she won’t cast a vote until after the election.
      9. Rumor I hear is that the post-election Dem controlled Congress and President Biden will pack the court regardless of the outcome of ACB’s nomination.
      10. Slight curveball — One of Trump’s weakest relationships is with college-educated white women.  I wonder how the nomination of ACB and the attendant we-hate-her political grandstanding will affect independent voters?
      11. Just an aside: The Lefty-bordering-on-Far-Left New York Times last week sounded the alarm regarding Biden’s failure to condemn the violence of the protests and general Leftist violence, along with the general unpopularity of defunding the police on both the left and right.  For the NYT to take that stance, that means (a) they have accurately gauged that most people consider the defunding effort to be a fringe effort and (b) Biden is letting the Right define him as soft on crime during a crime wave and (c) if the economy continues to improve and violent crime continues to worsen, Trump may just win again.

      Audaces fortuna iuvat

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