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[quote quote=4005]He certainly hasn’t been too controversial…but there’s still time.[/quote]
You mean besides pardoning every single Mueller defendant except the two that cooperated?
Or pardoning four men from Blackwater who massacred 14 people and wounded 17 others?
Or siding with Putin again in “Helsinki part II” where he contradicted Pompeo and the rest of our intelligence community regarding who was at fault for the worst security breach ever?
Or his months long campaign to undermine the election and confidence in our democratic institutions?
I’m curious what more he would have to do before you decided he was being controversial.
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Remember how dismissive you were when Trump said his campaign had been spied on? His Trump Tower phones were bugged? Remember how the Mueller team spent years and millions without looking into the malfeasance of the FBI? No, undoing political bs ain’t controversial to me.
I don’t know enough to compare the Blackwater guys to the Clinton pardons of the PR terrorists.
“Contradicting Pompeo & the rest of our intelligence community”? How egregious! So you’re suggesting that the 50 guys who signed a letter assuring us that the NY Post was an active part of the Putin disinformation infrastructure with their Hunter Biden reporting remain credible?
And pardon me, but your refrain about the integrity of our elections sounds a bit like your thoughts re Russia, Russia, Russia and the Mueller crap. The legal theatre post the 2000 election wasn’t controversial, it was politics. The decision to engage with state and federal courts in 2020 election cycle isn’t controversial, it’s our system. So what?
What might he do that I would think could be construed as controversial…how about using a FISA warrant to eves drop on Stacey Abrams and her ongoing efforts in the GA runoff contests? A FISA warrant obtained by misrepresentation? I think that might qualify.
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You have me confused with someone else. I don’t recall making a single post or comment on the Mueller investigation, until now, much less Russia, Russia, Russia, as you put it.
I’m not sure what Hunter Biden has to do with this, but it is not surprising that his name gets dropped in a response to a thread about Trump. Can’t let an opportunity go by without mentioning Hunter Biden.
I am no fan of Clinton. If that’s the low bar you hold Trump to then it’s not much of a defense. And I don’t remember much about the PR pardons, but Wikipedia says they weren’t pardoned. Their sentences were commuted after 19 years on the condition they renounce violence. And they were not convicted of harming anyone. So it doesn’t really sound comparable. Even many in the military were horrified by these Blackwater guys. Let’s be honest – Trump pardoned these guys because Erik Prince and Betsy Devos are big donors. So much for draining the swamp.
And the “legal theater” in 2000 wasn’t remotely comparable. Gore asked for a recount in an extremely close vote in one single county. And eventually conceded without any caveats.
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I never expected trump to concede without caveats. I do think he has carried the fight long enough regarding election challenges. I also think they have uncovered enough crud that congress ought to take a closer look at election integrity (again).
Sadly, it’s all just a game. Last time it was russia as the refrain while massive malfeasance by the prior administration was ignored. This time it’s election fraud by inner city machines while ignoring the fiscal disasters that are congressional leaders.
One thing is sure: trump may never be remembered for it, but the push for a vaccine from the feds will be seen as a national success equivalent to the Manhattan or Apollo projects. And yet the complaint will be that Trump didn’t wear a mask. Go figure.
Trump is not a great man. But, we knew that. His pardons look just as petty as any president’s. He has been a better president in the American tradition than anybody wants to admit. Maybe, just maybe, he will help prove that the American system, where the feds stay in their lanes and the states are allowed to manage theirs, is actually a really good one. Well, unless you live under a preening idiot governor.
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[quote quote=4010]\I’m not sure what Hunter Biden has to do with this, but it is not surprising that his name gets dropped in a response to a thread about Trump. Can’t let an opportunity go by without mentioning Hunter Biden. [/quote]
Hunter Biden is accused of selling access and influence. Why is he relevant? Because he is accused of selling access to, and the influence of… Joe Biden. Not just selling access and influence, but selling access and influence to China, and committing actual interference with the Ukrainian justice system. There is evidence for this, and it was suppressed by the media and Big Tech.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Wisconsin_gubernatorial_election
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[quote] Hunter Biden is accused of selling access and influence. Why is he relevant? Because he is accused of selling access to, and the influence of… Joe Biden. Not just selling access and influence, but selling access and influence to China, and committing actual interference with the Ukrainian justice system. There is evidence for this, and it was suppressed by the media and Big Tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Wisconsin_gubernatorial_election[/quote]
Yeah, I’m familiar with the issue. But this is a thread about Trump doing controversial things as a lame duck President. If anyone wants to talk about Hunter Biden be my guest. But the response — at least the part about Hunter Biden — had nothing to do with the topic at hand. It’s a huge stretch even to call it a what-aboutism. It’s just completely off topic and an obvious attempt to deflect, change topics, etc.
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“But this is a thread about Trump doing controversial things as a lame duck President…but the response — at least the part about Hunter Biden — had nothing to do with the topic at hand. It’s a huge stretch even to call it a what-aboutism. It’s just completely off topic and an obvious attempt to deflect, change topics, etc.”
Critical reading skills are lacking here. Try harder.
It was you who stated, “Or siding with Putin again in “Helsinki part II” where he contradicted Pompeo and the rest of our intelligence community regarding who was at fault for the worst security breach ever?” Remember?
You vouched for the intel “pros” as an example of Trumps “controversial behavior”? You suggest that their inherent credibility can not be questioned by one of their customers when reviewing/using their work product.
Your assertion is foolish on its face. The very same political actors that you defend and suggest are “off topic” dissembled and deceived re the NY Post reporting. For purely political reasons! Further, they did so with knowledge of their own dishonesty. Recall the Biden attorney wrote asking for the return of the laptop after it had been subpoenaed. When they released their statement in October, they knew of the ongoing FBI investigation, or should have known…or you’d have a problem using the adjective “intel” in characterizing their particular domain expertise.
The only reason you need to label this vignette as “off topic” is that it clearly undermines your position; a consumer of the intel work product is being rash if they question? Hunter Biden is only germane here as an example of your questionable assertion and it’s on topic…if you’re prepared to permit others to question the quality of your thoughts
And while we’re at it, let’s search for common ground. Do you agree using a FISA warrant, obtained with knowingly false assertions and obfuscation to surveil Stacy Abrams campaign activities might be an example of behavior you’d classify as “controversial”?
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The story is relevant to lame duck activity because 1) there’s a potential Special Counsel appointment, and 2) the difference in media coverage / high tech suppression of the story will demonstrate that the media and the tech companies actively interfered in an election. Furthermore, it looks like the media will basically take a nap for a few years as it takes PR / damage control narratives from the DNC.
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[quote quote=4007][quote quote=4005]He certainly hasn’t been too controversial…but there’s still time.[/quote] You mean besides pardoning every single Mueller defendant except the two that cooperated? Or pardoning four men from Blackwater who massacred 14 people and wounded 17 others? Or siding with Putin again in “Helsinki part II” where he contradicted Pompeo and the rest of our intelligence community regarding who was at fault for the worst security breach ever? Or his months long campaign to undermine the election and confidence in our democratic institutions? I’m curious what more he would have to do before you decided he was being controversial.[/quote]
Re Blackwater: until you have been in combat yourself and seen and done certain things you have no right to criticize those who have. That applies to you and to any pencil neck military types who sit on their desks all day. Spare me the holier than thou shit until you have been in a fox hole watching your buddies get killed by 13 year olds intent on beheading you post mortem.
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Amazon inks lobbying deal with Ricchetti Inc., the firm co-founded by Biden's incoming White House counselor, Steve Ricchetti.
This is Ricchetti Inc's 10th new lobbying client this year. They had booked just 1 from '16-'19. https://t.co/Ttadt86Ddm
— Chuck Ross (@ChuckRossDC) December 27, 2020
Huh. It’s as if big tech knows how a Biden administration will work. This lobbying firm is suddenly awash in clients.
How come so many huge corporations are hiring a previously obscure lobbying firm co-founded by the brother of a key Biden WH official? Does anyone have any speculation about why this might be happening? https://t.co/9hYkiRQdaG
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) December 28, 2020
Amazing.
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