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August 26, 2020 at 4:44 pm #2226
Rocky17Participanthttps://spectator.org/minnesota-v-derek-chauvin-et-al-the-prosecutions-dirty-little-secret/
It does not excuse in any way the horrible behavior of some police officers but they will most likely not be convicted of a murder charge.
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August 26, 2020 at 5:36 pm #2227
LegendKeymasterYeah. This has been circulating for a while now. Seeing this memo really brings it home. George Floyd OD’d. Now it looks like the prosecution had reason to cover it up.
But like it or not, Floyd is a martyr of the first order. He is literally right there with Emmett Till, and that, if anything, is a testament to the media frenzy.
The wrongful termination case is going to be epic. As will the riots when the case against the cops is either dropped or they are acquitted. Chauvin looks like a bad actor, but Floyd “hooped” his stash and it killed him.
I write this as someone who viewed the Floyd case as a murder for the first month or so. Then the toxicology started to get some pub. A June post on medium really got me thinking about it (I didn’t see it until much later).
The sad truth to all this is it will be a scary topic to bring up for risk of being called a racist. The usual retort to asking about these instances is “yeah, so you’re saying he deserved to die for [resisting, running, reaching into his glove box], you racist!” Now, the question will be “what you don’t think the cops should have gotten him care? They are killers no matter how you look at it. You racist!”
You can’t have an objective conversation about this case these days.
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August 26, 2020 at 5:57 pm #2229
rjnwmillParticipantEvery drug overdose death is tragic. A police officer was excessive. But the real criminals in this case are AG Keith, I’m a political hack, Ellison, the Minneapolis DA’s office and the Minnesota Governor. They sat on the “science” and let emotions based on knowingly inaccurate information drive the burning and looting of numerous American cities. They sat silent for far more than eight and a half minutes.
Impeach them. Force them to personally pay reparations to citizens who’ve suffered property and business interruption losses.
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August 26, 2020 at 5:55 pm #2228
Beeg_Dawg
ParticipantTry to have this conversation – how many of officer involved shootings (or deaths) occurred when the victim (gawd, we don’t dare call them criminals!) were not following instructions from police?
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August 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm #2230
LegendKeymasterBD, usually I cast it the other way around: how many happen when the victim is compliant. The answer is almost zero…but it isn’t zero. Philando Castille is rightfully the easy retort for this. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong and was killed trying to comply. That was a true tragedy.
The vast majority of killings of “unarmed” black men happen after massive non compliance with officer commands. I put “unarmed” in scare quotes because, as I think I have posted before, the word “unarmed” has been surreptitiously used to imply “nonviolent” which is almost never the case. George Floyd was unarmed but not nonviolent. Rayshard Brooks, the same. Words matter.
But we are in a bizarre world where the Democrats fall over themselves to “believe” science when it comes to COVID, and to ignore science when it comes to social ills. Inability to comply with police commands is a social ill that is scientifically identifiable and directly correctable, but yet we have leaders who like to imply that noncompliance and violence are justifiable. Who cares if a few people die?
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August 26, 2020 at 7:47 pm #2231
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ParticipantI think the image of the officer with the knee on the neck = conviction. Knee on the neck is acceptable practice in some situations I’m told. Probably not this one even if the perp was 6’8″.
A retired state cop I know who was a linebacker in college told me of what it can be like to try to control someone on drugs on a routine traffic violation. If they have had enough narcotics in their system it may take as many of 5 officers just to cuff them. That’s realville. No one experiences that except police officers.
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August 27, 2020 at 7:17 am #2238
LegendKeymasterYou may be right about the image, but there is a high bar to prove second degree murder, and it isn’t clear that the restraint used was outside of police department policy.
The reality of all this is that only the true believers and psychos will become cops. There’s a reason for qualified immunity, it’s so that the mob can’t sue the cops into ineffectiveness. But, here we are, sowing the wind.
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August 26, 2020 at 8:14 pm #2232
rjnwmillParticipantThe Orange One and his AG are no shrinking violets, thankfully…
Department of Justice Requesting Data From Governors of States that Issued COVID-19 Orders that May Have Resulted in Deaths of Elderly Nursing Home Residents https://t.co/V60wYlxcLR
— Justice Department (@TheJusticeDept) August 26, 2020
And look here Mick, your sweetie has been invited to the prom!
“Data will help inform whether the Department of Justice will initiate investigations under the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act (CRIPA) regarding New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan’s response to COVID-19 in public nursing homes“…”On March 3, 2020, the Attorney General announced the Justice Department’s National Nursing Home Initiative. This is a comprehensive effort by the department, led by the Elder Justice Initiative and in strong partnership with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that uses every available tool to pursue nursing homes that provide substandard care to their residents. As announced on April 10, 2020, the department is also investigating the Soldiers’ Home in Holyoke, Massachusetts, where COVID-19 has taken the lives of at least 76 residents”
Is there a similar statute that applies to Schiff & Pelosi? LMAO
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August 26, 2020 at 9:43 pm #2235
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ParticipantI did some math. If the northeastern states (and Louisiana, Michigan and DC) had the US average number of deaths as of Monday (548 deaths per million, NOT adjusted for the inflated deaths in those states), our total death numbers would be over 43,000 lower (43,038). Strangely, Pennsylvania issued one of the orders, but managed to contain its outbreak in March-June much better than NY / NJ. Maybe because it was revealed that the health officer pulled their own parent out of a nursing home just before the order was issued. The uproar may have saved lives.
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