What was your take on the debate?

[Mick]

Going in, I thought “Whoever wins this debate wins the Presidency.”

What did you think?

[Legend]

Trump was a train wreck.  Can’t help himself.

Kamala came off as more poised and articulate than expected.

Neither answered a question.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Kamala picks up more centrist votes. She simply looked better.

Trump as always is his own worst enemy.

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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

[Beeg_Dawg]

I watched for an hour.  My impression was the same as Legend’s.  Neither one answered a question.  Kamala looked more poised and polished than expected.  Trump – well, what can one say.

Kamala was all about talking points.  She’s going to fix the economy by giving away more money.  Great.

 

[Mick]

Agree with those comments. She put out the bait on a few occasions and he took it every time.

The ABC hosts did everything they could to support Kamala Harris. They fact-checked the Donald but not her. The media, in general, is all in behind Harris, as they would most any Democrat against most any Republican. I’m interested in seeing the polls two weeks from now. Virtually all the media claims that Harris won the debate.

It’s interesting…Harris is an SF/Berkeley far Left Progressive who was considered the most Left Senator by GovTrack, even more left than Bernie Sanders. She has repudiated all of her prior positions:

1. Defund the police
2. Donate for bail for the MN rioters
3. Against plastic straws
4. Against fracking (she claims she’s been for fracking since 2020…but she lied, she didn’t support it, she only said at the time that Joe Biden was for it).
5. Against off-shore drilling
6. Against the American pipeline.
7. For decriminalization of illegal border crossings.
8. Called for getting rid of ICE.
9. Against private health insurance/medicare for all (she sponsored the darn bill, even the left-wing Urban Institute claimed it would cost $34 trillion over a decade, and would have kicked 180 million people off of private insurance)/Single Payer
10. Green New Deal (she supported AOC’s version in the Senate)
11. Mandatory gun buy-back programs, banning of AR-15s.
12. Supporting packing the Supreme Court
13. Federal jobs guarantee

According to the media, she successfully positioned herself as the change candidate. Seriously? She was co-responsible for the crappy policies of the past 3.5 years, and she’s the change candidate?

Interesting that her team wants another debate. Either they feel she didn’t really win, or they think they could expand their lead. The media, interestingly, has been saying “Trump probably doesn’t want another debate.” I think Trump has a higher ceiling in the next debate. There’s a lot to fix from the first debate. But I believe that people who aren’t political junkies and objectively evaluate the two candidates conclude that Trump is the less dangerous candidate.

There were a few areas that Harris left unaddressed; e.g., inflation. To me, that’s the signature issue…and she didn’t address it. Second, the 13 flip flops listed above. That’s a fundamental change, values or no…and Bernie Sanders literally stating that “she’s doing what she needs to do to win the election” didn’t help her.

Fox has invited the two candidates. We’ll see if they accept.

At the same time, she’s an SF/Berkeley lefty, who didn’t get a single vote in 2020 (nor did she deserve to), who became the candidate via acclamation versus surviving a mini-primary. She stabbed her boss in the back, pretty effectively too.

Dems are still frustrated at polls that show Trumpa s the more moderate candidate. Dems have been casting Trump as an extremist who is a threat to democracy. But the recent NYT/Siena poll found more voters seeing Harris as too liberal versus those who see Trump as too conservative. This reflects similar poll results in 2016 that found Hillary as too liberal:

Democrats frustrated with poll showing voters see Trump as more moderate

Leading to my final point. If Trump had selected Nikki Haley as his running mate, this wouldn’t be a conversation. He would have won. Huge, huge screwup on his part.

• This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by Mick.

[Beeg_Dawg]

Agree on Nikki Haley as a great choice, but would she have accepted? I see her as a front runner to clean up the smoldering mess of a Republican party in 4 years.

[rogpodge]

[Mick1]

Agree on Nikki Haley as a great choice, but would she have accepted? I see her as a front runner to clean up the smoldering mess of a Republican party in 4 years.

I think Gavin Newsom thinks he’ll be the one to clean up the smoldering mess of a Democrat party in four years. He terms out in two years, and he has two years to do the run up if Trump wins. If Harris wins and does the standard terrible job that everyone would expect, Newsom will swoop in and challenge her.

Two interesting points:

1. California Governor Newsom is “getting tough on crime” after many years of being soft on crime. Backpedaling from “defund the police”, he knows there’s a serious organized retail theft issue, so he’s getting tough on that specific crime. Organized retail theft AND people who sell stolen goods will see sentences dramatically increased. Same with smash-and-grab theft from autos. Same with certain types of drug crimes. BTW, violent crime is up 3% this year.
2. Newsom vetoed that ridiculous law that would give illegal immigrants $150,000 to buy houses — remember, we have a $48 billion deficit and many, many California/American citizens who can’t afford a house. And whack-job Democrats are criticizing Newsom? Seriously?

California Governor Newsom’s Gets Tough On Crime With New Law (msn.com)

‘I’m Deeply Disappointed’: Democrats Turn On Newsom (msn.com)

• This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by Mick1.

Audaces fortuna iuvat

[rogpodge]

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