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    • #3251
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      For the first time in my life, my faith in our voting system is less than 100%. Never would I ever even conceive of fraud and malfeasance in a national election. Now I’m close to 100% convinced that there will be fraud, the only question is how much and will it influence the election.

      I have no proof, inside information, or anything. Just a pit in my stomach . . . .

    • #3258
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
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      Your stomach might want to consider a career as a blogger!

      People are now shopping anywhere and everywhere for “truth”. Personally, I think your gut is delivering.

      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #3260
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      N Carolina and Philadelphia are the focus tonight with unsolicited ballot mailings despite a SCOTUS ruling that reined in N Carolina Dems.  Nevada may be lost already because they have made the decision to NOT match signatures to mail in ballots after the unsolicited mailing of ballots.  California has up to 17 days to count mail in ballots after the election.

      Your stomach may be more accurate than the truth.  This election could very well be stolen unless people wake up and realize Harris is unqualified and a radical and Biden is a stalking horse for another coup which may end up being legal event of using the Constitution to destroy the Constitution.  Trump may have to win big.

      (BTW, the highlight of my day was watching Elizabeth Warren give a speech where she said confirming ACB was unethical because Ginsberg`s last wish should have been granted.  Just curious;  maybe GR can point out where the last wish of Ginsberg is in the Constitution.)

      • #3262
        rjnwmillrjnwmill
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        Rocky, not sure…but I believe the constitution requires that voting rules be set by the state’s legislature.

        some of these last minute adjustments to the rules are being designed and implemented by election commissions in which case they wouldn’t pass constitutional muster. Nevada’s egregious effort to prohibit voter authentication may be a casualty? The changes to the signature verification process were implemented by Clark election officials.

        Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
        Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #3266
      MickMick
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      [quote quote=3260]N Carolina and Philadelphia are the focus tonight with unsolicited ballot mailings despite a SCOTUS ruling that reined in N Carolina Dems. Nevada may be lost already because they have made the decision to NOT match signatures to mail in ballots after the unsolicited mailing of ballots. California has up to 17 days to count mail in ballots after the election. Your stomach may be more accurate than the truth. This election could very well be stolen unless people wake up and realize Harris is unqualified and a radical and Biden is a stalking horse for another coup which may end up being legal event of using the Constitution to destroy the Constitution. Trump may have to win big. (BTW, the highlight of my day was watching Elizabeth Warren give a speech where she said confirming ACB was unethical because Ginsberg`s last wish should have been granted. Just curious; maybe GR can point out where the last wish of Ginsberg is in the Constitution.)[/quote]

       

      It’s funny, when people think about mail in voter fraud, they think about representatives of one political party adding votes through ballots that they unlawfully procure and fill out.  My experience in the last election was exactly the opposite.  I received an email about a week after the election that my mail-in ballot was not being counted because of “irregularities.”

      They said my signature didn’t match.  Huh.  I signed it, was the same image I’ve always used.  I’m left to conclude that they didn’t like my vote, and therefore it didn’t count.

    • #3267
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      How many votes does it take to change an election? I’ve spent a little time in nursing homes (acute care/rehab) facilities recently. Currently, there are 1.4 million patients staying in them in the US, sadly, many residents are not competent and would be easy to exploit. After reading the expose from NJ I think, it’s easy to see how a concerted effort to harvest ballots could be made focusing on those facilities alone. There are 80,000 patients in PA, with similar numbers in MI, FL, etc.

      • #3270
        Avatarrogpodge
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        [quote quote=3267] There are 80,000 patients in PA, with similar numbers in MI, FL, etc.[/quote]

        There are fewer patients in PA and MI because of their governors. *zing*  Actually, I think PA rescinded their nursing home order after the health official was caught pulling her grandmother out of a nursing home just before the order went into effect.  Remember the Ilhan Omar videos?  They knew nursing homes were a good source of votes.

        I hate mail-in voting.  If I was given an option, I would have voted in person, on Tuesday.  The bar code on my envelope was crooked.  I hope that doesn’t mean anything, but it seemed like it was a weird anomaly.  I guess we’ll see what happens with my vote.

    • #3271
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      I would have to be 17,000 miles away from home in a hospital in the ICU using an iron lung before I would even consider mailing in a ballot.

      • #3272
        Avatarrogpodge
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        I’ve voted absentee before.  This time, I dropped my ballot off in person at a drop box.  It still sucks.  I would rather stand in line, and vote in person, but California doesn’t do that anymore.

    • #3466
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      The pit in my stomach was indeed a soothsayer. . . .

    • #3467
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      I’ve been voting absentee in California for more than ten years. Lots of Californians do. It’s done on request.

      The ballot is sent to the voters’ registered address, you mark it, place it in an envelope, sign it, and that’s that.

      There’s no magic in polling places that immunizes them from fraud. The written, mail-in ballot is in many ways a lot safer and surer.

      What is happening is in some ways a lot more ominous. A lot of people who would not normally inconvenience themselves going to the polls. By and large, I think they vote Democrat.

      All of the counts are being observed by dozens of poll watchers of both parties. The slow switch to Biden in Wisconsin and Michigan is accounted for by the heavily urban character of the precincts being counted.

      I am sure there are fouled ballots and what not, because in an election with tens of millions of ballots cast, that will happen. But wholesale fraud? I doubt it.

      The sorest loser of all time remains Al Gore. But Trump has joined the club, big time.

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #3471
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      It is not done on request. This year, went out to everyone in CA. Folks went door to door collecting them, as well. And not just in CA. . . .

      There seem to be a lot of irregularities in PA and MI especially, GA perhaps as well.

    • #3477
      MickMick
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      [quote quote=3467]I’ve been voting absentee in California for more than ten years. Lots of Californians do. It’s done on request. The ballot is sent to the voters’ registered address, you mark it, place it in an envelope, sign it, and that’s that. There’s no magic in polling places that immunizes them from fraud. The written, mail-in ballot is in many ways a lot safer and surer. What is happening is in some ways a lot more ominous. A lot of people who would not normally inconvenience themselves going to the polls. By and large, I think they vote Democrat. All of the counts are being observed by dozens of poll watchers of both parties. The slow switch to Biden in Wisconsin and Michigan is accounted for by the heavily urban character of the precincts being counted. I am sure there are fouled ballots and what not, because in an election with tens of millions of ballots cast, that will happen. But wholesale fraud? I doubt it. The sorest loser of all time remains Al Gore. But Trump has joined the club, big time.[/quote]

       

      Maybe.  But my absentee ballot in 2018 was discarded because of “irregularities.”

    • #3478
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      I could make all sorts of cheap shots, but actually that is rather reassuring. It shows that someone is paying attention. In any case, one less vote for the Peace and Freedom Party.

      I am sure there are irregularities all over the country. How could there not be? Tens of millions of votes cast by fallible people, and received by other fallible people.

      Wholesale fraud on a scale sufficient to change the outcome? Logistically impossible. I think I’ll do a pre-blog post on that.

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #3492
      Avatarrogpodge
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      There’s some interesting stuff going on all over the country.

      We need comprehensive election reform.  Early voting is fine.  Counting super late ballots, universal mail ballots, ballot harvesting, no signature / ID matching, etc. need to go.  I’ve heard proposals for blockchain solutions and third / neutral party counting / auditing solutions, as well.  If you think it can’t be done on a bipartisan basis, look at Florida post-2000.  There was an attempt to steal the Senate seat (and the Governor’s seat) in 2018, but a concerted Republican effort forced the corrupt Broward County election officials to stop some really sketchy (and illegal under Florida law) practices, saving the seat.

       

    • #3493
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      That surely would be suspicious, but who is this guy? And where did he get his statistical analysis? And why hasn’t been cited by any more reputable sources?

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #3496
      FratBoySpikeFratBoySpike
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    • #3506
      MickMick
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      [quote quote=3478]I could make all sorts of cheap shots, but actually that is rather reassuring. It shows that someone is paying attention. In any case, one less vote for the Peace and Freedom Party. I am sure there are irregularities all over the country. How could there not be? Tens of millions of votes cast by fallible people, and received by other fallible people. Wholesale fraud on a scale sufficient to change the outcome? Logistically impossible. I think I’ll do a pre-blog post on that.[/quote]

       

      I’m confused, GR.  My California ballot was filled out by me and only me, with choices that are largely conservative.  And it was delegitimized, rejected. Please explain to me how that is reassuring?  For me, it’s anything but reassuring.  Or rather, it is reassuring to me that our system is not legitimate, that my vote doesn’t matter, and that we live under a government that is proto-fascist.

    • #3534
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      It’s reassuring because someone actually examined the ballot before adding it to the tally. Since you have both Republican and Democratic poll watchers, the rejection of your ballot for ideological reasons seems to me a little farfetched.

      What no one from either Party ever does, whether it’s yakking about voter suppression in the case of the Democrats, or voter fraud in the case of the Republicans, is talk to the actual people who conduct elections – registrars, local volunteers, very few of whom are engaged in any kind of large scale conspiracy.  Nor do they consider the poll watchers from both parties on hand.

      I learn today from Commentary that up to 10% of ballots in every election mark only the top candidate on the ballot, leaving the rest blank. That’s true in every election. There is nothing at all out of the ordinary in the number of bulleted ballots noted in the election.

      I also learn that the greatest swing in recent memory on a recount has been 1100 votes, far from the plurality that Biden received.

      I learn further that ballots in Pennsylvania  received post 11/3 have been separated since they are obviously the possible subject of litigation, and there are fewer of them than the Biden majority. That’s actually what you expect conscientious people to do, and most volunteer election workers are there because they are conscientous.

      In short, there is major disinformation swirling around, started by one acolyte, and echoed by others, that Trump is actively fomenting. We are seeing the man at his absolute worst.

      I’ve been here before. You’ll recall the paranoia of Democrats about Ohio voting in 2004, voting machines and the like. And let us not forget the idiocy of 2000,in which one candidate urged that ballots that had never been tallied before somehow be tallied this time, but only in the areas in which he ran strong – and somehow the Democrats have persuaded themselves that the OTHER candidate stole the election.

      So I don’t think I’m particularly partisan. I’m simply looking at the down-to-earth reality rather than sticking with high concept.

      Time to start critiquing Biden. As the distorting symbol of Trump disappears, some of the better aspects of his policy come into view. I am particularly concerned that he will erase the progress the US has made in the Middle East, resurrecting the Palestinian cause and re-approaching Iran. That won’t do.

       

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #3535
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      There were no Republican poll watchers in Milwaukie, Detroit, or Philadelphia.

    • #3536
      Genuine RealistGenuine Realist
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      There certainly were poll watchers in Philadelphia.  There was litigation on the subject.

      But what sorts of people do you think do this kind of tedious necessary work? The idiot millennials demonstrating on the street? Not hardly. Basically persons with basic bourgeois middle-road values, committed to the process not the outcome.

      You think bias figures into the judgment as to whether a ballot has been fouled? Yeah, probably.  But that’s the kind of thing that goes on in every election. You are not going to have a national election without some human error. But the number of those errors is probably in the hundreds nationally.

      Massive coordinated voter fraud? With votes subject to recount and review by litigation? And of course absolutely invisible. You need literally hundreds of people to pull it off, in the midst of a number of people who are taking time off from their lives to do this thankless job, solely in the interests of fair elections.

      Give it up. I hope that sometime in the next few weeks the bubble pops and you see that you’ve been sucked into a personality cult these last four years.  Time to let it go.

       

      I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.

    • #3537
      Rocky17Rocky17
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      It was reported by every network that the Republicans were given a court order to allow poll watching Philadelphia`s ballot counting area during the evening and that election officials and the police refused to enforce it for 2 days.  I must have heard it or read it 40 or 50 times over a 48 hour period. Now those same articles are scrubbed from the internet by design and one has to look to right leaning publications like the Epoch Times to find an article describing it.

    • #3733
      Avatarrogpodge
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