Is This Our Future? Kudos to California

[Rocky17]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

Ballot harvesting was just the beginning.

• This topic was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by Rocky17.

[Beeg_Dawg]

Missed part of the link.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

Fraud can’t happen? 1.2 million stimulus checks went to dead people.  If dead people can file taxes and qualify for a stimulus check, I’m pretty sure they can vote as well.

[Rocky17]

Dawg, the millenials  are the election key.  If Twitter, Facebook et. al get them out in droves to vote, Biden will win.  Their lack of western civilization and history knowledge due to progressive teaching at all levels render them susceptible to fallacious perception.  We just might lose our country, its history, its borders and its freedom from overarching government.  In the end, it looks like Muggs and Hog will win.

[lex24]

Jeez Rocky.  Talk about Chicken Little.  I think I can go back to the last four elections. When Bush won some people on the left saying that’s the end when Obama won some people on the right were saying that’s the end. When Trump won  people all over the place were saying that’s the end. 😛

Now if Biden wins that’s the end. Bullshit – we’ve survived worse,  will get by and we will be fine. Have some faith. The American people are smarter and stronger collectively than people give them credit for. Sure they’ll be changes. There always are.

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[gpn38]

I agree with you about the wisdom of the American people Lex. But the trend is downward away from exceptionalism and towards social democracy. Rs are  consistently losing the popular vote. And even the electoral college is a stetch for them. See the latest polls. And even if Trump is re-elected it will be by the smallest margins in a dozen states. Unsustainable. But we will be dead.

[RoscoeMaynard]

R’s lose because their definition of exceptionalism includes alot of stupid crap, including a president that says he isn’t joking when he says, “Testing is a problem.”

[rjnwmill]

[quote quote=802]R’s lose because their definition of exceptionalism includes alot of stupid crap, including a president that says he isn’t joking when he says, “Testing is a problem.”[/quote]

Roscoe, you ignorant slut…  I saw an interview with a political consultant/pollster, Frank Lunz. He attributes Trumpo’s polling problems to semantics. Words that don’t play with swing voters.

This has little to do with pronouncements about testing, policy or results. It’s got to do with semantics. Word choices. That’s the level of sophistication of the electorate.

Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

[FratBoySpike]

I’m not so certain the electorate is quite as smart as lex and gpn believe, but I live amongst my fellow Skillbillies, deplorables and “rednecks with paychecks” expecting our arsenal of firearms and pickup trucks to become a makeshift posse and militia. My perception of the GenX masses observes them conveying their messages on TikTok in a mindless haze of semantics, preconceived notions and dance moves.  I always thought I would do well in anarchy; now that I’m seeing the massive unrest all over the country, I’m less confident.

"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." - Charles Bukowski

[Legend]

The only ones who do well in anarchy are the ones who relinquish their manners either first or hardest. Your rifles aren’t worth much if you still have the civility not to use them. And therein lies your salvation and your disadvantage.

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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)

[RoscoeMaynard]

yea, and I saw an interview with Karl Rove and he said…he didn’t use semantics.

[topcamera]

I don’t think most Caucasian people understand how really pissed Black people are. There is  a battle over reparations coming and it will get ugly. It will get more than ugly on the streets of the USA if Trump wins. Lots will die. Lots will burn. This is hatred of Nixon to the tenth power. Hell even if Biden/Harris win white folks should not go out that night.

They want it now. Who can blame them? And they will get it even if they don’t work hard to get it. The Dems are already building the golden platter.

[lex24]

Not sure how to reply to a specific post. TC, I think you are overstating.  I believe that the vast majority of blacks want incremental change just as the vast majority of whites, yellows, reds and browns do.  I don’t believe that there is the level of anger amongst the majority as you claim.

[FratBoySpike]

• There are lots of folks that are pissed. Being pissed doesn’t make one’s actions righteous. I don’t understand white privilege at all because I lived 2/3rds of my life on the border with Mejico in communities that were greater than 80% hispanic. My wife is hispanic and my children are half hispanic.  I learned to get along with every race because I was one of the minorities and I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. As I have said before on Thebootleg, I survived school shootings in 1975 before they became popular and drive in shootings and too many knife fights to count.  I have always treated everyone with respect over the years and most often got out of bad situations with my words, but learned plenty about defending myself when warranted.  I have worked a job since I was 15. I didn’t come from money; in fact, both my parents were high school drop outs from broken homes, but busted their asses to earn every dollar they brought home.  I worked two and three jobs at a time while at Stanford including hashing in Lagunita my first two years befriending, working with and serving AfAms from Ujaama house.  I dated a wonderful AfAm for about 3 or 4 months somewhere during that time. Yet, if I don’t believe in reparations, and that these oppressed rioters and looters deserve to break the laws of the land, then I must be a racist and a no good mf’er.  I don’t buy that s**t and I probably never will.  I have had it with California after 59.5 years here and will be moving to Texas soon enough.  I and mine will be ready if a fight comes to us.  Violence begats violence, and believe me, now that I have been burned out of my home by the Camp Fire, I’m pretty pissed off myself and feel kinda cornered and ready to whoop some a$$.

"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." - Charles Bukowski

[gpn38]

My point on exceptionalism is that net, net either one thinks this is an exceptional country or one thinks we should move towards social democracy. Your point to pin it on trump and the Rs is simplistic.

[gpn38]

TC , I am as concerned about white people bring pissed at themselves as black people are passed at whites. The tail can’t wag the dog. Blacks are 14% of the population, but 15% plus 30% of whites is a big deal.

[topcamera]

Totally disagree. Something new and different is driving this movement. They don’t want incremental. They want it now and as I said who can argue with them.

[lex24]

I can.  And I will. Socialism?  No.  We change within the system that has essentially worked well for us.  And the world.  Which is a much bettter place as a result of the ideals our Framers set down.

There has been a lot of change for the better in race relations since Brown and the ‘64 Act.  If you question that, just look at some facts.  Start at ‘68.  Which is a sea change beginning.  Pre ‘68 I believe there had been one  major US city with a black mayor.  Forget where.  Bradley was second and I believe he was elected in ‘73.  Sinc3 then darn near every major American City has had or does has a black mayor and/or police chief.  We had a black president for 8 years.  Unthinkable in 68. There has been large systemic political gains.

Economically the wage and income gaps have narrowed since ‘68.  Wealth hasn’t.  That needs to be addressed.

We need to continue to move forward.  But tearing the system apart is no answer.  It’s a prescription for disaster.  And AA’s will lose if that is the order of the day.

Reperations.  Show me the plan  Devils in the details.  I’m open for discussion.

BTW, we  have a large African immigrant community.  Almost all our  legal immigration is people of color. And Africans keep coming to the US in large numbers  .  Is that because we are a racist nation?

Im sick and tired of negativism.  If we spent more time on positive stories, on the vast majority of Americans of all races, creeds, etc that strive for a just society and treat each other well, maybe we’d see some positive movement.  But we revel on the negative.  Fueled by a media that has an economic  stake in pushing division.  Politicians that have a political stake in pushing division so they can expand their tribal base and social media, which highlites every negative Story and essentially ignores positive.  On the latter, I read an article today on some cretin at a Kroger’s that blocked an AA woman from reaching her car.  Or something like that. The article used it as “another example of white women acting badly.”  Ok.  How bout the legions that act justly. (Or for that matter, women of all colors that act badly)

We are human being.  We fail at times.  All of us.

We can rip ourselves apart.  Maybe we will.  But I continue to believe that out better angels will come to the fore and get us through this mess.

 

 

 

 

• This reply was modified 5 years, 10 months ago by lex24.

[gpn38]

Can’t argue and I sympathize with many of their arguments….

But, they shouldn’t overplay their hand.

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