Just not that easy to expand the grid.

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    • #6652
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      “The lesson is simple. The growth of new energy and fuel supplies is going to take Lots Of Decades, and no mandate from politicians or enthusiasm from special interest lobbyists is going to do anything but make things more expensive and worse.”

      Interesting, going all electric isn’t as easy as adding more power lines.

      https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Researchers-Aim-To-Understand-A-Power-Grid-Phenomenon.html

       

    • #6653
      rjnwmillrjnwmill
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      Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
      Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long

    • #6654
      AvatarNeodymium60
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      Good topic and very complicated.  I’ve been trying to understand the electricity market for a while.  It’s like no other.

      As an example, my understanding is that the cost of a megawatt of power generated from a nuclear power plant to the market is about $40/hr. A megawatt can supply electricity to 400 – 900 homes.  But in times of imbalances in supply such as a very hot or cold weather conditions, the spot market for that megawatt can go to $1,000 or more.  A nuclear plant can generate and sell excess capacity to nat gas, oil, and coal plants quickly for their customers regardless of location.  Places like San Diego, New York and Los Angeles frequently have imbalances. I believe the grid is set up so that places with excess capacity can get electricity to trouble spots right away at high prices and the location.   How this is done, I don’t know.

      But your are dealing with kinetic energy and physically rotating machinery.  With green energy you can’t get excess capacity anywhere near as fast to rebalance the the shortages.

      I’d love to hear from anyone who knows how this all works.  Especially the spot energy market.

    • #6655
      AvatarBrix
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      Not only do libs lack common sense, they also do not understand the Law of Unintended Consequences.

       

    • #6670
      Avatarichiban
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      PG&E has broken out and trending up.  Could they finally come out of bankruptcy next year?

      • #6673
        cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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        With the rates they’re charging, can’t see why it’s not sooner. They are 2-3X that of SMUD next door. . . .

    • #6678
      Avatarichiban
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      Well I bought because it’s a convenient whipping boy for the pols.   They going just get rid of the management if not in lockstep with the diktat.

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