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August 13, 2020 at 8:38 pm #2002Rocky17Participant
The damage caused by the riots in many cities highlighted the lack of political will and control progressive mayors and councils have in controlling the situation. Too much of their support comes from the hard left. The destroyed businesses compounded by the pandemic shutdowns instituted by the same power brokers have ruined the quality of life for so many that it is no secret they are leaving in record numbers. Cuomo is begging people to come back. Many, possibly most, will not. The work at home concept in concert with the inner city turmoil has convinced many that they want to live in the suburbs and that it is not necessary to live near work. In some places, the burnt out buildings have had fences placed around them with the bills being presented to business owners for said fence. In Minneapolis, the city leaders will not let business owners rebuild by predicating a permit may only be applied for if one pays the second half of the year property taxes in advance. Not very business friendly or affordable.
My questions are:
1: Since the people who remain and cannot leave will be the most affected, who will they vote for in the future?
2: What will happen to the main streets of our major cities as the monied leave and those who spend are no more?
3: Will businesses become bankrupt at record pace?
4: Will voters finally understand that progressivism means chaos when there is no political will to curb lawlessness? Or not?
5: What happens to tourism?
Our cities under Dem control that have been allowed to experience uncontrolled rioting damage with no consequence for the perpetrators are looking in many areas like Beirut or Baghdad. You would think CNN or MSNBC would care enough to show the carnage yet some of us get criticized severely for watching the one network that displays reality and not propaganda and politicization.
So far the only answers coming from the DeBlasios of the world are defunding the police and demanding money from Washington.
Conversely, this poll scares me. A WTF moment.
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August 13, 2020 at 10:19 pm #2007lex24Participant
1. Democrats
2. Nothing, because it won’t happen
3. No
4.No
5. Nothing, except if you are in the cruise industry.
Rocky, you are the Chicken Little of this board. Things will settle down and normalcy will return. It may take a little time But this is not the end of the Republic. NYC is still NYC. Broadway, Times Square etc.
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August 13, 2020 at 11:23 pm #2012rjnwmillParticipant
Lex, in this matter, I think you may be oblivious to the world around you.
Personally, if you didn’t occasionally make references to Northern California I would have no way to tell where you live. The same is true with respect to the St. Augustine pugilist. Your functionality/presence in this forum is location independent.
The virus is now obligating businesses to rapidly implement work from home programs. And the same technology infrastructure that permits you and Rocky to interact seamlessly on the Legend’s forum is facilitating employment changes with profound benefits for all parties involved. No more time lost commuting. The 45 hour work week has been reduced to 40 hours. Who won’t appreciate a 10% reduction in the work week? An opportunity to significantly reduce expensive R/E investments to house the administrative work force. Capital requirements can be materially reduced.
And as we’ve seen, cost savings have driven call centers overseas. The same thing will happen now domestically. And what employers will stand in line to pay NY scale wages when work from home employees are available in Charleston West Virginia?
I think Rocky is right. The tectonic shift is underway. Large cities have become increasingly unlivable. People want out. And now, in many cases, they can take their job with them.
Here's a toast with one last pour, may it last forever and a minute more;
Good fortune seems to you have sung, to live and love way past long
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August 13, 2020 at 11:02 pm #2008Rocky17Participant
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/new-yorkers-flee-nyc-in-droves/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-coming-urban-exodus-11592435672
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August 13, 2020 at 11:06 pm #2010gpn38Participant
My answers 1 through 4 align with Lex. On 5, I would add the airlines, retail.
But, the right doesn’t need all inner city voters, it needs to peel off enough of the monolithic vote patterns to make states like MI, WI, MN competitive in national elections.
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August 13, 2020 at 11:19 pm #2011
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August 14, 2020 at 8:17 am #2013Rocky17Participant
There is a ton of recent evidence that confirms my suspicions and belief.
As a Floridian, I see people moving here who are escaping the mess that Dems created and once they get here, they continue to vote for the same type of people whose policies they are escaping from.
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August 14, 2020 at 9:28 am #2015Neodymium60Participant
There is an exodus…of the well heeled.
I think an influx is more likely. Ever been to big cities in Latin America? Big cities are a magnet for the impoverished.
Assume that Progressives (Marxist Lites) will take control sooner or later. You can also assume that there will be open borders. Where are you going to put them? The answer is in cities with a lot of apartment vacancies and low rent housing. 400,000 people have left NYC so far. Lots of cheap rentals now.
If you watch Bill DeBlasio you may think he is crazy by actively driving out his tax base. He’s not and he’s taking a gamble that sooner or later New York can become Sao Paulo or Lagos Nigeria. Much easier to control the population and the political structure. He just needs a little time to do it.
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August 14, 2020 at 9:52 am #2017lex24Participant
I think it is always questionable to predict future trends from events happening during a crisis. Working remotely will have some impact. But I wonder how much the “norm” that will become. There are benefits to being in an office both to the employee and employer.
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August 14, 2020 at 10:14 am #2018cardcrimsonParticipant
Change is coming. Speaking with my contacts, a plethora of CEOs in the Bay Area, most realize that business life next year will not be the same as business life last year.
Last week, I led a forum of HR managers for Bay Area companies and one of the main topics was how does a company manage all the requests to work remotely equitably. They are already discussing salary reductions for those that head to Boise or Manhattan KS as the cost of living will be significantly less. That said, there is a significant burden on the employers, as employment laws and taxes vary widely by location and will be a nightmare to manage. We’re five months in, and the implementation of these changes are already underway by the HR folks.
And Lex, Times Square will still be Times Square? Remember it before Giuliani? I guess your point is that it will be like that again soon.
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August 14, 2020 at 10:42 am #2019cardcrimsonParticipant
“In 1981, Rolling Stone declared West 42nd Street the “sleaziest block in America.” Likewise, one scholar wrote, “The Great White Way is now a byword for ostentatious flesh-peddling in an open-air meat rack.”
Indeed, male “hustling” became pervasive in the area as people exchanged money, illegal drugs, or other forms of payment for sexual favors. Time Square’s central location, which once allowed the district to flourish as a prominent locale for high-end entertainment, now facilitated the sex market. The influx of commuters, especially during rush hours, made male prostitution fairly easy and relatively frequent. The flow of human traffic during these periods allowed clients to solicit sex without attracting much attention.
In addition to the sex market, the drug trade also profoundly affected Times Square. Efforts to address the increase in prostitution, especially by juveniles, were derailed by the arrival of crack cocaine to Times Square in 1986. As a result, crime rates spiked and continued to increase through 1989. The addictiveness of crack made it an especially insidious drug, as users focused their energy and resources on scoring the next ‘hit’. Crack dealers, junkies, and the cardboard encampments of the homeless took over the streets.”
https://www.timessquarenyc.org/history-of-times-square
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August 14, 2020 at 11:14 am #2020topcameraParticipant
Spoke with my property manager yesterday. Apartment vacancies and non paying tenants far outnumber their counterparts in two flat houses and single family homes in SF. Lots of deals for part payment and deferral going on. Sales of homes in preferred neighborhoods (Cow Hollow, Diamond Hts., Golden Gate Hts., Sunset, Parkside, Merced Manor, West Ingleside, West Portal, Monterey Hts., St. Mary’s Park, Sloat environs, etc. ) still mostly going for a few hundred thousand bucks over list price. Rural properties in Marin, Sonoma, San Mateo, Napa Counties rising astronomically.
Yuppie apartments and condos at Mission Bay, Butchertown, other areas being vacated. Mission District turning into Homeless Nation.
And still the Mayor advocates more apartment building.
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August 14, 2020 at 4:42 pm #2028Beeg_DawgParticipant
Surprising no one, Bezos tells Seattle to eff off.
Rantz: After attacks and taxes, Amazon looks to expand out of Seattle
What prevents elected officials from seeing the end game to what they are doing? Lessons are short lived with this bunch. They forget Boeing relocated it’s HQ out of Seattle, right on the heels of the governor claiming Boeing would never leave Seattle.
Right……..
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August 14, 2020 at 6:22 pm #2033Rocky17Participant
We all know how conservative Bezos is politically. His WaPo always supports the right wing positions on law and order. Sorry. Forgive my sarcasm.
Business is business despite political posturing and beliefs. If a place is not safe or too expensive to operate in or the ambient politicians too hostile in myriad ways, the ownership is going to seek better working conditions and more appreciation. I disagree with Lex and others. It will take a Giuliani to bring people and employers back to some of these Dem run socialistic “meccas”.
Let the perpetrators of violence run free without punishment but beware the consequences. In the final analysis, it is the voting public that will determine the final disposition on every front.
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August 14, 2020 at 6:28 pm #2036Beeg_DawgParticipant
How do you recruit “the best and brightest” to live and work in Seattle when you have this kind of sh!t to deal with.
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August 14, 2020 at 11:28 pm #2049lex24Participant
I think it’s always a mistake to consider long term changes whilevin a short term crisis. Things will return to normalcy. They always do,
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August 15, 2020 at 1:03 am #2050Rocky17Participant
Well, to quote financial guru Mohamed El-Erian, we do not know yet what will be the “new normal”.
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August 15, 2020 at 6:21 am #2051LegendKeymaster
[quote quote=2036]How do you recruit “the best and brightest” to live and work in Seattle when you have this kind of sh!t to deal with. https://disrn.com/news/blm-activists-storm-seattle-neighborhood-demand-white-residents-give-black-people-back-their-homes[/quote]
Once smart, motivated people realize that employers no longer require them to make all the compromises required to live in or near a big city, they will stop moving there.
That will stop the gentrification and allow the people in your link to return the inner city to its rightful state of blight and decay.
“buyer buyer gentri-fier!”
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)
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