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FBS: While the guy is well within his rights to conceal and carry to a gathering of antifa fools, the trainers I know would just say “don’t be stupid” when it comes to where you place yourself.
You also shouldn’t go pushing and grabbing people while carrying concealed (well, reality is you shouldn’t do it anyway but when carrying concealed there are people who will say you only did it BECAUSE you are armed). This guy showed really poor judgment and put himself in a terrible situation.
That said, I think he also showed real constraint in not pulling his gun after getting hit the first time. The second time, where he is basically tackled and hit with a skateboard, I have to say he was justified. The guy who tackled him and who he shot was not a guy he had previously been in conflict with (I think), making the whole “you provoked the fight, so you can’t finish it with deadly force” argument less strong.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=497]you left out the part about the guy being one of those “dress up like an army guy so my balls feel bigger” types. Otherwise, I can’t help you, sure seems like self-defense, but then I guess I have a problem with both sides of this equation…I am not an armed vigilante fan.[/quote]
I don’t think so. He is wearing a blue t shirt and shorts. I actually just think he was at the protest to push people away from the statue (normally something the cops should already be regulating, but not in today’s lawlessness). He happens to have a concealed handgun but that’s not remarkable and it’s arguable it saved him from further injury.
He shows remarkable restraint as he walks away, and then the skateboard guy tackles him and hits him with the skateboard. He then pulls his concealed handgun and shoots.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out legally, but the blue t shirt guy clearly attempts to leave and is de escalating the situation with the mob attacks him. Taken in episodes, the situation sure looks like self defense. Taken as a whole, he might be charged with assault for his first or second altercation (a lady pushes him backward and he flings her down), making the claim of self defense minutes later after he tried to leave a bit shakier perhaps.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)Sounds like the guy knew what to expect. It is, in fact, pretty common to see charges in an instance of self defense. That’s one of the reasons stand your ground laws came into being: too many good people being put in the poor house by having to mount a criminal defense for acts of self defense.
As they say: you can beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=493]They’re not going to pay the overtime earned by LA cops the last few weeks. Instead, they’re going to give them time off: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/lapd-protests-overtime/index.html Would be interesting, and disastrous, if the cops did go on strike. The Return of the Archons hits the US.[/quote]
Been a long time since I have lived and worked there, but doesn’t California mandate that orgs pay out PTO at the end of the year anyway vs. rolling it over? Seems like I remember you could bank a week or so, but the rest was paid.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)I think it’s fair to say that the feds should not be able to mandate enforcement support by local agencies.
I think it’s also fair for the feds to withhold funds for noncompliance. That’s exactly how they ensured adoption of a national speed limit iirc.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)What’s exciting about Stanford right now if you are a top football recruit?
The style of play is pedestrian.
The head coach is an uninteresting and somewhat dour personality.
The conference is weak and Stanford gets pushed around in it.
oh, and we haven’t won anything for a while. In the eyes of a hs sophomore, those rose bowls might as well have happened in the 80s.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)The article is paywalled but I think Willie, once again, shows his impeccable political sense.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=459]Here’re the videos:
Clearly shows the policeman firing on Brooks after Brooks fired a taser at the officer.[/quote]
Hate to admit it but I just now clicked your link and saw the video. In my opinion, the action with the taser was probably enough for the cop’s split second judgment to be less questionable. Brooks, who is already a violent criminal as of the preceding moments, actually fires the taser back at the cop.
Did he “deserve” to get shot? Not at all. Did he put himself in a fantastically dangerous position and then exacerbate it by waving the taser at the cop and then firing it? Absolutely.
You’ve probably followed the news that the Atlanta PD literally just fired a bunch of cops (some of them black) for using tasers on people, with the assertion that it was a dangerous (if not deadly…I don’t know the language used) weapon.
And, in my opinion, Stacey Abrams has gone from interesting politico to race hustling liar with the comment that “nobody should die for falling asleep in a car” or whatever the quote was. My retort would be that in any policing regime a violent criminal who chooses to wrestle with arresting officers, steal their weapon, and then brandish the weapon at a cop could die, and the cops do get the benefit of the doubt.
The NYT actually laid the incident out really well. Tragic, tragic, tragic, and it didn’t need to happen; but I’m thinking the cop may be getting a really big wrongful termination settlement from APD before this is all over.
We should have PSAs about not fighting the cops. Hard to believe that is necessary, but it is. Michael Brown, George Floyd, Brooks, all of which would have been un interesting arrests without the resisting and assaulting officers.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)Thanks GR. Insightful. The comment on the guy thinking we has talking his way out of it is really thoughtful.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=464]Ban all mascots. No more cheerleaders. No team songs that have words like fight, fighting, marching on to victory etc. Bye bye to the Fighting Irish. No scoreboards. Everyone must take Xanax before the game starts. Maybe we just ban sporting events all together. Don’t want to offend someone by cheering or celebrating a score.[/quote]
This all sounds funny until you realize there are people who believe it 100 percent.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)My hunch is you call the police with any sort of trespassing, which I assume a guy falling asleep in your active drive thru is. I don’t see the upside to having your employees clear the nuisance.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)Rocky, I don’t think there are other mitigating circumstances that favor the police beyond my comment that there is supposedly video showing the guy pointing the taser back at them, which I have not seen. I think they genuinely fired at a guy running away from them with a stolen taser.
I probably should have stated my opinion: I think the cops got it wrong from the moment they went to ground with him. Fine to chase a fleeing suspect but not clear there was a need given they had id and everything they needed to track him down after assaulting the officers, plus he was no longer a danger as a drunk driver since they could impound his car.
I think the shoot was bad in the sense the cops were put into a very charged state of mind immediately by the suspects behavior at the moment of cuffing, and after the chase started one made a split second decision to shoot that is very wrong in retrospect. In the past I would have said the benefit of the doubt goes to the cops when a suspect becomes violent. That isn’t really possible now. Cops have to be darn near perfect if they pull their weapon.
It goes to my points about procedure: With a suspect who has been compliant, there is probably no reason to touch or even get close. The scuffle started with the cuffs.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=444]Let’s not be afraid to argue and not afraid to insult with humor. If racial and anti-Semitic rants abound this isn’t going to be a place that I will come to. That said, DOC get a haircut![/quote]
don’t worry. It won’t be tolerated, and I don’t think the people “in” are of the sort.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)The man has a way with words. When in doubt, watch what he does, not what he says. When he starts tearing down the Lincoln Memorial, we’ll really know there is something of consequence here.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=422]The libertarian in me says no rules and regulations. Honor code. But, lets carefully control who is allowed in. Like immigration 🙂[/quote]
yeah we will just keep it free and manage membership. I don’t anticipate letting anyone in that I don’t know or that hasn’t been vouched for by another poster.
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