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Rocky, I don’t think there are other mitigating circumstances that favor the police beyond my comment that there is supposedly video showing the guy pointing the taser back at them, which I have not seen. I think they genuinely fired at a guy running away from them with a stolen taser.
I probably should have stated my opinion: I think the cops got it wrong from the moment they went to ground with him. Fine to chase a fleeing suspect but not clear there was a need given they had id and everything they needed to track him down after assaulting the officers, plus he was no longer a danger as a drunk driver since they could impound his car.
I think the shoot was bad in the sense the cops were put into a very charged state of mind immediately by the suspects behavior at the moment of cuffing, and after the chase started one made a split second decision to shoot that is very wrong in retrospect. In the past I would have said the benefit of the doubt goes to the cops when a suspect becomes violent. That isn’t really possible now. Cops have to be darn near perfect if they pull their weapon.
It goes to my points about procedure: With a suspect who has been compliant, there is probably no reason to touch or even get close. The scuffle started with the cuffs.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=444]Let’s not be afraid to argue and not afraid to insult with humor. If racial and anti-Semitic rants abound this isn’t going to be a place that I will come to. That said, DOC get a haircut![/quote]
don’t worry. It won’t be tolerated, and I don’t think the people “in” are of the sort.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)The man has a way with words. When in doubt, watch what he does, not what he says. When he starts tearing down the Lincoln Memorial, we’ll really know there is something of consequence here.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=422]The libertarian in me says no rules and regulations. Honor code. But, lets carefully control who is allowed in. Like immigration 🙂[/quote]
yeah we will just keep it free and manage membership. I don’t anticipate letting anyone in that I don’t know or that hasn’t been vouched for by another poster.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)Rocky, it’s religion to the pc police. They have become every bit as self righteous and judgmental as the staunchest Bible Belt fundamentalist ever was. So if you blaspheme you run the risk of being ostracized. That is all multiplied by the immediate and irrational brand damage that can be done if anyone…even somebody in middle management, runs afoul of the orthodoxy. Google has proven sensitivity to this, as have other companies, even before these current times.
I can tell you this: many corporate leaders live in fear of a misstep that ranks their brand, and many, many people are watching and hoping to tank a brand and get someone fired for sport. The CrossFit example from this week is a good one. The ceo made a bad attempt at humor: responded to a twitter post that the riots were a public health “good” by calling them “Floyd-19”. That was a huge error in today’s age (why any CEO tweets informally is beyond me) but hardly something that is over the top and fireable, yet he probably irreparably harmed a solid brand and lost his job to boot.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)I wish people would take Kamala at her word. I mean, look at her history as a prosecutor. If you treat people right, who needs a prosecutor?
Empty words. That’s all they are.
will be interesting to see how Minneapolis decides to handle public safety going forward. My hunch is the next solution isn’t always better than the one before.
This whole exercise is a good example of why I am a big believer in Chesterton’s Fence admonition. Policies and procedures for police almost all exist for a good reason (With officer safety being, in fact, a good reason). The escalation of force is a very reasonable construct that exists for a reason. Self defense law exists for a reason. I might even say that qualified immunity exists for a reason.
Tearing all this down without reasoned understanding of why they exist only opens up the need to re-learn old lessons.
And George Floyd was killed outside of any reasonable reading of policy. The moment he was restrained and subdued his safety became the officer’s responsibility. The case is very different from Michael brown, Trayvon Martin, or Ahmad Arbery. They were all “unarmed” but (at least driven to be) violent, which quickly shifts the reasonable doubt to the other side.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)What happens when this jihad against historical figures realizes that Muhammad owned slaves? Do random liberal mobs attack mosques?
Does the whole situation turn on the reality that Muhammad was non-white?
Reminds me of the people who wear the Che Guevara t-shirts as if the guy was John Lennon when in reality he was closer to pol pot.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=415][quote quote=410] Let it collapse under its own weight of anarchy,[/quote] Would be a great experiment, but how do you say no to the next bunch of nuts that want to establish a commune in the middle of a city? It’s not like Seattle is Antelope, OR. Remember Rajneeshuram?
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My college roomate’s family played a big part in the fight against the rajneeshees. I remember those stories. What an awful situation.
“How do you say no to the next…” is the core question here. Equal protection under the law will be an interesting thing now that selective law enforcement has gone mainstream.
My hunch is that the theory of non-policing here is based in part on thought policing. As in: “These people are not generally violent [because we can read their thoughts], so let’s let it play out.” Whereas if they were the Branch Davidians, we’d roll tanks because their religion doesn’t match our orthodoxy, even though the Branch Davidians were nonviolent until they weren’t.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)- [quote quote=409]Actually, the girl does and holds them off. Their faces are in full view. Oops.[/quote]
- she’s another cop and nearly embarrassed herself. She was able to hold them off, however.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=402]https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-celebrates-seattles-autonomous-zone-a-homeland-for-racial-justice[/quote]
The NYT are idiots. This zone will be a total mess in a few days. This is no different than the occupy Wall Street nonsense, except that apparently they are bearing guns and controlling entry. Suddenly armed guards and exclusion of police from a part of an American city is pretty ok with the leftists.
Want a fun thought exercise? Imagine the sentiment if the occupiers were old fat white guy conservatives with their AR-15s.
The NYT would ask Senator Cotton to roll the tanks in.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)Watched this. Love his focus on the evidence vs the theory. “Marxism is a great theory, it’s just bad in reality” is a good line.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)We have reached a moment of absurdity where for some reason enforcing almost any law is equated with police brutality. The videos of statues coming down in Minneapolis reminds of Iraq.
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1270850224777396224
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)Love the Jerk reference, and no surprise that it’s there given Doc’s intro starts with a Dr. Evil comment.
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Sic transit gloria mundi (so shut up and get back to work)[quote quote=377]Mugsy yes, Dennis no.[/quote]
couldnt find muggs on the t done carcass. How long since he showed up there? If you have the ability, shoot him a pm on there and inform him of this site. Arguing with apes is good sport.
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