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LOL. I’m down with that.

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[quote quote=1169]…I guess Trump… is a proponent of States Rights over human rights. Perhaps he even has a white hood in a closet at Trump Towers.[/quote]

Now tarring him with the sins of the father?  That seems lazy.  With the generational attitude changes during our lifetimes, I imagine you and I could make an argument that our parents were racists; certainly by woke standards.  That doesn’t mean that we are…unless our name is Trump?  Further, I doubt the Orange One could have worked effectively with the trades in N.Y. if he was an overt racist?

And please consider all this crap in context.  Does it strike you that this narrative is eerily similar to the James Byrd advertisements that were run in the 2000 election cycle? Bush was smeared because he opposed hate crime legislation in Texas as governor.  He was of the opinion that Texas didn’t need said “tougher” legislation.  His position is perhaps plausible as two of the Byrd defendants received the needle, the other a life sentence.  But the NAACP ran the Bush is racist campaign during the election cycle because of his opinion on that legislation.  Perhaps a leap there. All this as Biden declares, “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black!”  Tell me, who’s making the overtly racist appeal here?  And why during an election cycle?

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[quote quote=1162]February 17 article Einstein. The Dark Ages of Covid Jung. Now we all should know better Madame Curie.[/quote]

T.C., am I now to believe anything said re Covid prior to February 17 is exempt from analysis/criticism?  Faucci sí, the Orange One, no?  I think I’ve got it now, the blatant hypocrisy of a double standard in the bashing of Trump is every citizens sober obligation.  That’s probably why it’s appropriate to consider him disqualified because of his prior acts, “…lies, racism, denigrating the disabled, denigrating women, cheating on his wife with a hooker/porno star.”  A standard neither you or I would meet.

It’s your choice T.C.  It’s okay to vote Biden.  It’s not a matter of right or wrong.  All I can do is wish you good luck with it.  But don’t try to explain/justify personal prejudice.

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I’ll be interested in T.C.’s thoughts on this Fauci pronouncement. Seems to directly contradict policy pronouncements from state & local officials.

I know the Orange One is to blame. T.C. has recently castigated him for following Faucci’s advice.  Thanks T.C.  I heard it here first!

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Silliness T.C.  PPE, ventilators, ICU capacity, testing capacity unknown to man kind, deployment of world class logistics management capabilities based on repurposed DoD capability. Seems to me that is government working in a crisis.

Your examples of purported personal shortcomings have NOTHING to do with the discharge of the responsibilities of the office. Further, if I’m not mistaken, your list of offenses all predate his inauguration.

Tell me T.C., are you disqualified from future employment because of your past sins?  You ever told a lie?  You ever said an unkind word to another person?  You ever referred to a woman as a slit; perhaps another misogynistic reference?

Your performance above demands the usual response from Queen Gertrude.

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The Michigan Health System study confirmed mortality rates are reduced by 50%. It would be a bad joke if he wasn’t on the drug.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5365090002

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[quote quote=1141]Biden has painted himself into a corner by declaring that he would pick a woman. Purely political rather than the person best qualified to become Pres.[/quote]

That certainly suggests he’s qualified to be on top of the ticket.  Politics before good government.  

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“Trump has said nothing about aerosol particulars.”

Yes T.C., I too long for the good old days of Jimmy Carter.  He had a real gift for getting lost in the details.  You know, “can’t see the forest for the trees”?

Do you think perhaps we’re well served by a manager who makes high level resource commitment decisions, engages with responsible parties to identify and address major pain points and trusts the experts to provide reliable input in developing a coherent plan of attack?

Problem is, such a manager might be frustrated by “experts” who don’t know their ass from second base?  You of course are all over this conundrum!  You’ve called out the divergence between the WHO and your 239 scientists?   The UW modeling of the expected deaths attributable to the pandemic?   They’ve been all over the map and we haven’t even reached their forecast date of August 1!  No worries though, I’m certain you and I are in complete agreement… their July 31 update will spot on!  The importance of ventilators in treating patients infected by the virus?  The peak demand for ICU beds?  The efficacy of hydroxychloriquine?  Whether the virus can be transmitted through human contact?  Whether travel bans are important and timely or perhaps xenophobic?

You rightly have been all over this basic management problem.  You thankfully have shown real empathy to the Orange One. Early on you appreciated that he has to deal with these know nothing “experts” who unaccountably chirp daily in the media causing confusion, fear and second guessing in the population.

Thank God for cool headed, process focused intellects like you.  Only guys like you can comment meaningfully on the management chops of the Orange One.  That’s why I can’t wait for your next post T.C.

{And to insure there is no misunderstanding, I refer to the generic “you” T.C.  It’s simply a generalized usage that refers more broadly to the media and the politicians.   }

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[quote quote=1106]Take a look at at the report of 239 professionals who think that WHO is incorrect.[/quote]

T.C., am I reading this correctly?  Your 239 professionals are in agreement with the Orange One’s assessment of The WHO’s performance in matters Covid-19?  90 days after the Orange One.

Better late than never I guess.   😉

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Ahhh T. C., more obfuscation. Lee & Jackson are introduced into the discussion?

“Simply wearing a mask helps greatly inside buildings. Trump wearing a mask would bring some doubters into the fold. Simple as that.”

Some doubters?  How many pray tell?  And how many Trump haters would purposely follow the opposite path?  What’s the net impact my friend?  You and I have no way of knowing.

But we both know that we wear masks ourselves when we are at the supermarket or the Apple Store, or the local CVS store. Why?  Because of local requirements?  Because merchants require it?  What is the compliance level in the places you visit?  Near 100%…even as the President declines to run behind a mask?

Why in the world would you blame the Orange One for the “mask ignorance” problem you see lurking behind every turn when you see 100% compliance in your own corner of the world?  Why indeed?  Because you can condemn Trump for failing to “bring some unknown number of doubters into the fold”?  Why not go with what is working now for you and me?  Have you ever heard the expression, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.  Let the locals set the rules for the game.  Don’t drag the Orange One into Marin County public health policy. You don’t need to. You see local compliance every damn day. Your refusal to go with what works is indeed curious.

And I’ll of course acknowledge that you, the N. Y. Times and 239 scientists are smarter than me!  But pardon me if I maintain some skepticism?  It’s a natural reaction when I read paragraph 2 of your article.

“If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic, especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation, the consequences for containment will be significant.”

T. C., over the last 120 days, we’ve seen a whole lot of misguided public policy that has been predicated on conditional statements by “experts”.  How certain are you that your experts have it right this time?  And further, if I stipulate to their current conjecture, I still have the same fundamental question; why shouldn’t the locals mandate mask usage indoors?  That’s simpler and more effective than seeing the Orange One in a mask, no?

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T. C., is your middle name Faucci?  Such authoritative statements defining an overly simplistic solution to a virus problem that even now is not well understood.

“Millions are not wearing masks NOW. Plus if he wore the mask EARLY it would have helped greatly.”

You know and I know, the Orange One’s approach has been to empower those closest to the patients to make the decisions. Works for me and many others here abouts.  But this fundamental issue is unresolved. How many here have vented about unelected public health officials knee capping the economy?  However, if I recall correctly you have defended Trumpo’s decentralization vociferously.

The Feds committed to meeting the needs of the locals; and have largely succeeded. State and local officials were empowered to implement mask policies…just as they could do all manor of stupid stuff. They could export the virus to nursing homes. They could ban boating. They could encourage folks to visit Chinatown for the New Year’s celebration. They could encourage mass protests absent mask requirements. They could shutter businesses and beaches.

Who best discharged their responsibilities?  The locals calling the shots or the Feds who handled their requests for infrastructure and material?  Simple question T. C.  Answer it.

And yes, I have restricted my activities. My choice. It’s a simple thing I can do out of respect for my family, friends and neighbors. And as you know since you asked previously, I generally wear a mask when I’m out…local policy, don’t you know?

And enough of the political speak. You’re self contradictory. Your pronouncement, “I think he’s a dope, a traitor and someone who gives not a damn about the American people.“  Yet you suggest people sharing your views would follow the Orange One eagerly?

Just like 50% of population, you’d ignore anything and everything the Orange One says…unless he follows your script. I on the other hand don’t have any problem addressing these challenges as our founders intended; empowering the states. I don’t think we need expanded, empowered federal bureaucracies. That’s what Biden, Pelosi, AOC & Obama are selling. How did those fools perform for you during the last challenge?  Shovel ready jobs? Solyndra?  Public policy predicated on deceit?  (See Gruber)  Cozying up economically to China?  Undermining the orderly transition of power?  Assuring Vladimir our foreign policy can be more “flexible” post election?  MRE’s to Ukrainians seeking to blunt Russian incursions?  Red lines in Syria?

With that legacy of success, much like Bush’s I’ll add, I think you’re spot on with your suggestions to put it all on the Feds…and that the Orange One’s failure you wear a mask will be seen as the most important public policy failure during our lifetimes.

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BTD, I don’t find your cites persuasive in the least. Instead, I’ll reflect on Rachael Maddow’s 2017 standard and use it in the evaluation of the Orange response.

Give this a read. Here is the first paragraph from the piece.  “It was obvious President Trump had a different tone last night – that cannot be denied. The words were better, the presentation was better. Some of the ideas and rationale behind it were even good. Breaking the cycle of poverty? Yes, obviously, Democrats will get behind that. But I love what Rachael Maddow has been saying, and I have begun to adopt this same motto with this administration: “Watch what they do, not what they say.””

I find it unpersuasive to cite isolated excerpts from public pronouncements for two simple reasons.  First, I don’t see any reference to the numerous instances where Trump spoke specifically about the damage done to the world by the Chinese failures in responding to the pandemic.  He was castigated for these remarks; xenophobic if I recall correctly.  These comments addressed the seriousness of the situation unequivocally.

Second, the Maddow 2017 standard must be used here.  According to the Orange One, the seriousness of the situation demands a “whole of government response”.  How many times have we heard this?  Yet I don’t see it in your quotes?  But more importantly, it wasn’t just words.  This principle was implemented…with dispatch.  You and Lex choose to ignore that simple fact.

Back in school, in a course in power and politics in organizations, the professor advanced the thought that management is little more than symbolic action.  Such actions are the most powerful tool in influencing the behavior of diverse audiences.  In my lifetime, I’ve rarely seen another President implement such a powerful and consistent response to a crisis; refocusing the entire government in a coordinated fashion to address a single threat.  You & Lex seem to dismiss both these actions and this management principle.  Seems to me that your position here is very much like the political ad highlighting Kerry on the wind surfing board in 2004; back and forth and back and forth.  Political speech using “facts” in isolation, perhaps unfairly, to define the opposition.

I call bs.

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[quote quote=1082]JFC Bob (not Lexie Bob). The most visible thing he could have done was to wear a mask. Millions would have followed him. He rates an F in common sense.[/quote]

T.C., I’m as certain as you are that the people in the streets the last month plus would ALL have worn masks if the Orange One had. We’ve seen how they all seek to personally model the President’s behavior. Trumpinistas, one and all, right?  They live obediently seeking his recognition & approval.

Sillier  still is your assertion that, “Millions would have followed him.”  I can’t go in a store without a mask…nor can you.  Pray tell, what do the personal habits of the Orange One have to do with our compliance?

JFC, indeed.

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[quote quote=1076]I think a big partof it is reaction to Trump”s “what, me worry” bullshit. He won’t sound ANY alarm. Acts as if it’s just an annoyance that will go away.[/quote]

lex, your prejudices are coloring your judgment.

-Who suspended travel with China?

-Who was independently singled out by Cuomo & Newsom both as providing them with everything they need to respond to the virus?

-Who put up 10,000+ ICU beds within 90 days?

-Who integrated the military in the national response to effectively manage logistics?

-Who has green lighted vaccines development and put strategic bets behind the acceleration of future distribution?

-Who fast tracked our entry into the mask and Ventilator businesses?

-Who established daily briefings for the public and first line managers at the state level to insure information access and transparency?

And then we have Lex bitching about masks when he knows nothing about the White House protocols for protecting the health of the President?  Lex says the Orange One won’t sound alarms when there is 24X7 news coverage misrepresenting the implications of elevated test results?  Lex fails to acknowledge the absolute need to reopen the economy or the risk mitigation protocols that businesses have implemented?  (Lex, when you put on your mask and venture out to the store and converse through plexiglass with the cashier, is that your idea of inappropriate messaging that leads people to conclude the virus is “an inconvenience that will go away”?)

Youre at least as convincing as Don Lemon.  

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[quote quote=1058]I think it’s fair to say that not all first responders are worthy of the title hero, and not all community organizers are commies… [/quote]

Let’s not restate the obvious and get lost in relativism.  This is the story that gave rise to the post.

While community organizers are encouraging gutless public servants to reallocate resources to degrade public safety, personally appropriating private property for failed communal experiments in lawlessness, stifling the public discourse/free speech rights of those holding contrary views and destroying public property; the overwhelming majority of first responders are doing their jobs.

“Community Organizer” is not a profession, it is not a career.  It is just another euphemism for “Politician”.  {I never said commie or lefty.  That was your projection.}  We have too many self serving politicians; see the link I provided to the Lincoln Project’s finances in another thread.  The “Community Organizer” get rich scheme is on the public dole.  The rip off is sheltered from public scrutiny.  Further, the concept itself is simply redundant.  Politicians are elected to deal with said issues, to represent the interests of their constituencies.  Do you really think we need another layer of “politicians” to get our public officials to do their jobs?  “Community Organizer” is simply another term for “Lobbyist”.  If elected officials were seriously engaged in discharging their responsibilities, the “Community Organizer” would be seen with clarity for exactly what they are, tits on a boar.

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