Biden out. What next?

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    • #8644
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
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      What a crazy time we are living in. Candidates shot. Presidents unfit for office, stepping out of a race they can’t win, but not stepping down.

      Where do we go from here. Sadly, there isn’t a unifying person or force around.

    • #8645
      johnnyo53johnnyo53
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      Real simple. Trump our next POTUS. This stupid beotch will get cut up in a debate. She will get all the cop killer votes.

      “I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?" "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet. You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times." It was all true what he was saying. And yet, I

    • #8646
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      Reminds me of the end of the movie “The Hunt For Red October”

      In order to sink his adversary, the Soviet sub captain turn off all safeties on his torpedoes.

      Ramius outsmarts him and causes his own torpedo to kill him.

      His subordinate says “you arrogant ass, you killed us!”

      This is all on Biden and his inner circle. Taking all the risk on this while they KNEW he couldn’t be up to it.  Playing the U.S. public.

      kamala as the candidate will be interesting.  And, if she’s not, the Dems can hardly be the champions of democracy they have been crowing about for the past years.

      arrogant asses

       

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    • #8648
      LegendLegend
      Keymaster

      I think the 3d chess move is to have Joe resign now, install Kamala as president. Then run a campaign for a couple months that is “see, she isn’t that bad.”

      Her job would be to do as little as possible.  Basically stay in the basement part 2.  Then the campaign can spin it as “doing the job the people need.”

      the Dems can win that way.

      I doubt Biden will go along. Arrogant ass.

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    • #8649
      Mick1Mick1
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      I think, in Biden’s eyes, they’ll achieve the same by having Harris “transition” e.g., be at all the top meetings, meet the top people, get the Secret Service protection that Trump didn’t get, etc.

      Harris was a profoundly flawed candidate. Tulsi Gabbard eviscerated her in the debate. She was a terrible Attorney General (from a liberal point of view).

      YouGov poll indicates that Harris does 2% worse than Biden vs. Trump. When asked if Harris would be more or less likely to win against Trump than Biden, 15 percent answered more likely, 26 percent about as likely, 39 percent less likely and 20 percent were unsure. On the other hand, Ipsos polled 992 registered voters across the U.S. on July 16 for Reuters. The survey placed Trump ahead of Biden in a presidential matchup by 43 percent of the vote against 41 percent. However, once Harris was subbed in as the candidate she tied with Trump on 44 percent. And CNN poll of 1,045 registered voters, conducted by SSRS between June 28 and 30, found Trump ahead of Biden nationwide with 49 percent of the vote against 43 percent. Trump also polled ahead of Harris but by a smaller margin, with the backing of 47 percent of registered voters against 45 percent.

      I think Trump still wins. There are several keys:

      – The Democrat nominated by the Dem party. Biden endorsed Harris, but I don’t think that means it’s a done deal.

      – The VP nomination

      – the battleground states

      – % of population that finds Harris as unlikeable (or more) than Hillary Clinton

      – the gravity effect caused by third party candidates RFKJr, West and Stein

      – incipient racism (both ways) and voters who won’t admit their real choice to pollsters (both ways)

      – Open Convention?

      Lots to do…

       

      Audaces fortuna iuvat

    • #8650
      AvatarBeeg_Dawg
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      The only record she can run on is Joe’s.  IMO, Trump needs to push the idea that she is essentially Joe Part 2 with less experience in foreign and domestic policy.

      It will be interesting to see how she will disconnect from this administration, or if she will.  I think she stands a decent chance if she moves the middle NOW with policy statements on Foreign Policy, Education, Energy and Health Care.  At the risk of losing the lunatic fringe, (a small risk, IMO), I think a moderate position will win more votes than it will cost. Like I said, it’s a small risk, where else is the LGBQTxyz crowd going with their support?

      I didn’t bother watching the RNC Convention .  This may be a different story.

      • #8657
        Mick1Mick1
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        The only record she can run on is Joe’s. IMO, Trump needs to push the idea that she is essentially Joe Part 2 with less experience in foreign and domestic policy. It will be interesting to see how she will disconnect from this administration, or if she will. I think she stands a decent chance if she moves the middle NOW with policy statements on Foreign Policy, Education, Energy and Health Care. At the risk of losing the lunatic fringe, (a small risk, IMO), I think a moderate position will win more votes than it will cost. Like I said, it’s a small risk, where else is the LGBQTxyz crowd going with their support? I didn’t bother watching the RNC Convention . This may be a different story.

        100% accurate, and the funny thing is that this is achievable. A politician runs toward the poles during the primaries and runs to the center during the general election. The hard party is already done, she’s past the primary, and as you point out, she needs to move to the middle to show she’s not a Progressive right now. And given her conservative propensity as an attorney general, it’s actually in her wheelhouse.

        The lunatic fringe will vote for her, they have no other choice. She needs to be tough on crime, tough on immigration, pedal to the medal on the economy, push traditional value, go quiet on LGBTQxys. She should keep left on the one and only issue that most of the country is left, and that’s abortion.

        One other thing…like Newsom, she’s perceived to be a wacky San Francisco liberal. She needs to lose that perception, which means she needs to disavow what hasn’t/isn’t working in California…and there’s a lot of it.

        Audaces fortuna iuvat

    • #8651
      Avatarrogpodge
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      The record she has, if she isn’t subbed in through the 25th Amendment, is: Border Czar (failure); sent to Europe to prevent the invasion (provoked Putin, Russia invaded the next day); on climate, kicked off a conspiracy theory by saying we need to reduce population to achieve climate goals. She was also rated more liberal / left than Bernie Sanders in her short time in the Senate.

      She is the poster child for the California Democrats’ system of failing up.

      We’ll see how it goes.

    • #8652
      cardcrimsoncardcrimson
      Participant

      Well, she is a role model for young aspiring women politicians. Sleep with a powerful (still technically married) man twice your age, ask for appointments to cushy government agency board seats, be given a BMW, get placed in elections with zero competition, and get set up for life.

    • #8653
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      Well, she is a role model for young aspiring women politicians. Sleep with a powerful (still technically married) man twice your age, ask for appointments to cushy government agency board seats, be given a BMW, get placed in elections with zero competition, and get set up for life.

      still don’t understand why she doesn’t get pilloried for this. She and other Dems will nail Trump to the wall for supposed misogyny…what about her sleeping with WB who gives her political appointments in her 20s? Was she really the best qualified politician to sit on those agency committees?

      To me, this is the flip side of the #metoo movement…yes, men like Harvey Weinstein should be buried beneath the prison. But at the same time, a number of women chose to do it and benefited from it…like Kamala Harris.

      Also…I can’t believe no media member has pointed out that her senior staffers fled her employee after a short employment period.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by Mick1Mick1.

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    • #8655
      Mick1Mick1
      Participant

      The record she has, if she isn’t subbed in through the 25th Amendment, is: Border Czar (failure); sent to Europe to prevent the invasion (provoked Putin, Russia invaded the next day); on climate, kicked off a conspiracy theory by saying we need to reduce population to achieve climate goals. She was also rated more liberal / left than Bernie Sanders in her short time in the Senate. She is the poster child for the California Democrats’ system of failing up. We’ll see how it goes.

      She’s a terrible communicator. She’s awful with swing voters. She’s really only comfortable with elite liberals. To be candid, after having worked at the highest levels of four major law firms, her personality embodies the weaknesses of traditional law firm lawyers, without the positives; e.g., very smart, hyper-focused, adroit mind, very capable. She doesn’t possess those attributes. But she is egotistical, artificial, insecure, socially awkward, occasionally childish, deceptive and has some nervous tics.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by Mick1Mick1.

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