“Experts” and this building collapse

[Legend]

The building collapse in Miami is tragic.

Fox, in looking for an angle, talks to a “home builder” as an expert on building collapse.

Does anybody even know what an expert is anymore?

By the way, I’m betting on a massive foundation failure via a sinkhole or something similar.  That isn’t even mentioned in this “expert” article.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/miami-building-collapse-possible-causes

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[johnnyo53]

Looks more like the floor construction and slab joints failed, , I’m not convinced it was a sinkhole, related failure, but time will tell. Post tension construction?

The underground garage  is basically intact and being used for  rescue efforts so I doubt sinkhole as a cause

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[Legend]

Yeah doc, I saw reports that they were using the underground garage to try to reach people. That does pretty much rule out a foundational issue like a sinkhole if they are working directly under the former structure.

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[cardcrimson]

To your point, no. There are no real experts anymore. Talking heads who speak in sound bites.

Tragic in FL, prayers for those affected.

[rjnwmill]

I haven’t followed the story. However I think I heard that the building has been “shifting” for some time. That the movement has been monitored, and that their is a history of tenant complaints/litigation?

The basic story line reminded me of something I’ve seen several years ago related to a condominium building in SF?  The foundation movement was creating a West Coast leaning tower?

Am I anywhere close on either situation?

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[Legend]

Since this is likely to be the worst non 9/11 building collapse in US history (I think, random memory of mine says that 140 deaths in a hotel walkway collapse in KC years ago was the worst to date) ; it’s likely that answers will be tied up in litigation for a long time. We will have to see.

In any event, I’m betting the concrete rehab and retrofit industry just got a big shot in the arm.

 

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[Mick]

I think there’s a sister building, isn’t there?

Also, wasn’t there plenty of warning in the few days and weeks prior to the collapse?

[Legend]

USA TODAY reported that concrete rehab workers actually stopped work on the building in October 2020 due to the extent of damage.  Pretty darned scary.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/07/01/florida-condo-collapse-fall-repairs-delayed-unexpected-damage/7833145002/

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