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Brix may be on to something. Elrond was not woke.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Next thing you know they’ll start letting gays in the military /s
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I don’t see the problem. Voter fraud is essentially non-existent, statistically speaking, and everyone has the right to vote.
Unlike voter fraud, the pandemic is still very real and you do not have a right to attend a game and spread a disease — a very real possibility with major health consequences for people.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Yeah, it was just your garden variety storming of the capitol. Only 5 people died and 138 officers were injured. What’s the big deal? /s
Also:
Before and after the storming of the Capitol, NBC News reported, police seized a dozen firearms, including an assault rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people attending the rally for President Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. Other weapons included a crossbow, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails.
… we will never know how many rioters might have been armed with guns on Jan. 6, because only some were arrested that day.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
gpn: Every President gets discussed for some period of time after they leave office because the issues they were handling are still relevant for some time. It was the same way with Obama. He was mentioned on the CEB frequently by you all for at least six months to a year after he left office. Same with Bush 8 years earlier.
And Trump is no doubt going to run again, so we’ll be talking about him plenty in the future, unfortunately.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Legend, I don’t think was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. He was the President of the United States at the time and 74 years old. Nobody — not even the most strident liberal outlet — was going to fault him for line jumping. The guy spent a year trying to have it both ways: he did some things that were helpful and also went out of his way to not alienate his anti-mask, anti-vax base. That’s not leadership. It’s negligence. Leading from behind, as you all used to say about Obama…. Same behavior when the Capital was stormed. He waited hours to finally come out and issue some mealy-mouthed statement (I love you; please go home), while everyone was wondering where the hell he was… Same thing in Helsinki when he said he trusted Putin more than our intelligence leadership that he had appointed. He had to come out the next day and read from a prepared statement claiming that he had mistakenly used the word “would” when he had meant to say “wouldn’t”.
The fearless leader who supposedly tells it like it is actually won’t tell it like it is when it really counts.
Not to dwell on Trump, but the Rocky thread reminded me of the dear leader’s “fearless” leadership on COVID that had real consequences with people’s health. Blame Newsome and others too – I don’t care. But don’t pretend Trump was some beacon of light on this subject. He tried to have it both ways for a year and it cost many lives. More forceful communication from the leading Republican surely would have helped more Republicans and conservative news outlets from embracing conspiracies.
And, yes, I realize there are some Democrats who refuse to be vaccinated. But the disparity versus Republicans is not some statistical noise. It’s a massive difference. It’s a failure of conservative media and Republican leadership.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I also remember when Trump said Kim wrote him beautiful letters and they fell in love. Such a bizarre four years.
Meanwhile, it’s been nice not having to hear about Trump’s latest temper tantrum every day. Apparently he’s in talks to launch his own social media company in a few months, though, so the peace and quiet may only be temporary.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
The Washington Post screwed up by using supposed direct quotes based on memory of someone instead of a summary. So, yes, Trump didn’t say “find the fraud”. But I’ve got a bridge to sell you if you don’t think that’s essentially what he was asking. The guy wasn’t calling just to shoot the breeze.
The real story still remains that it was wildly inappropriate and possibly illegal for a President to be calling election officials and trying to get them to change votes. There is audio of him calling Raffensperger and asking him to find 11,780 votes.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
It’s hard to take this board seriously. Two Trump appointees are criticized for not simply being loyal subjects when their job is to rule on matters of law. And this is somehow evidence that our country is too woke and descending into liberal madness.
or something like that. It’s hard to follow the logic here, so forgive me if I’m mischaracterizing.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
If Rocky is reading this, best wishes and I hope you recover soon.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
There seems to be a focus in the number of executive orders in this thread. But if you look at the substance you’ll see that at least half are completely non-partisan and non-controversial. Examples:
- Requiring mask wearing on Federal property during the pandemic
- coordinating a government-wide Covid-19 response
- banning discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation
- mandating ethics pledge for government appointees
- promoting Covid-19 safety in domestic and international travel
- expanding access to Covid-19 treatments
- promoting data-driven response to Covid-19
- invoked the Defense Production Act to ramp up supplies for the pandemic response
- establishing the Covid-19 Health Equity Task Force
- supporting the reopening and continuing operation of schools
- establishing a Covid-19 pandemic testing board
- expanding food assistance programs
- assisting veterans with debt
- facilitate the distribution of federal aid amid the pandemic
- facilitating delivery of stimulus payments to expand and improve delivery of direct stimulus payments, including the creation of online tools for recipients to claim their checks
- order directed all government departments and agencies to “promptly identify actions they can take within existing authorities to address the current economic crisis resulting from the pandemic
- reinstating Covid-19 travel restrictions
- promoting ‘Buy American’ agenda
- order re-establishing presidential council on science and technology
Maybe EOs aren’t the best way to do some of these things and I’m sure you can nitpick or disagree with a few of them above — and others not listed. But my quick read is that many of them are specific to COVID (presumably temporary) and not some kind of partisan thing. So just going by the numbers is a bit misleading.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Predictable what-aboutism. If you have a defense of Trump feel free to share.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
[quote quote=4140]if it were a true insurrection and an attempt at a coup, would the infiltrators have been content to take selfies on the dais, in Pelosi’s office, etc.?[/quote]
I think you’re downplaying what happened. Several people died, including a cop who was bludgeoned to death. Many of these folks framed it as their last chance to “stop the steal” of a lawful democratic election. A mob forced their way into the building. They ransacked offices. They constructed a noose outside the Capitol building. Crowds were chanting for Mike Pence to be hanged and for Pelosi to be killed, among other outrageous and seditious things.
They were literally trying to force their way into the chamber at the moment the votes of a national election were being counted. Many hoped their show of force would somehow persuade Republicans or Pence to reject votes (not that he could). Who knows what they would have done if they had somehow caught up with Pence or Pelosi and others. I’m glad we didn’t have to find out.
Here’s some of the violence:
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
