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Yes, according to a recent poll (from late March), 31% of Republicans still blame Antifa. There was also a thread about it posted by Cardcrimson on this board shortly after the incident.
PL, you wrote: “A really mature approach would be to understand why they would be pissed enough to storm the Capitol, but that’s an investigation that is too sensitive for politics. Instead we will blame qanon and try to stick it to Trump.”
We know why they were pissed off. Their leadership lied to them repeatedly about “the steal” – and continues to lie about it. And the fact that nearly a third of Republicans believe the insurrection was antifa is indicative of a serious break with reality and basic facts among conservatives.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at how easily conservatives are whitewashing this incident, making it out to be no big deal. Just a few disgruntled tourists who just happened to storm the capitol during the formal and legal conclusion to a democratic election. Nothing to see here. Maybe we can have a 34th hearing on Benghazi instead.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Brix may be on to something. Elrond was not woke.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Next thing you know they’ll start letting gays in the military /s
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I don’t see the problem. Voter fraud is essentially non-existent, statistically speaking, and everyone has the right to vote.
Unlike voter fraud, the pandemic is still very real and you do not have a right to attend a game and spread a disease — a very real possibility with major health consequences for people.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Yeah, it was just your garden variety storming of the capitol. Only 5 people died and 138 officers were injured. What’s the big deal? /s
Also:
Before and after the storming of the Capitol, NBC News reported, police seized a dozen firearms, including an assault rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people attending the rally for President Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. Other weapons included a crossbow, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails.
… we will never know how many rioters might have been armed with guns on Jan. 6, because only some were arrested that day.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
gpn: Every President gets discussed for some period of time after they leave office because the issues they were handling are still relevant for some time. It was the same way with Obama. He was mentioned on the CEB frequently by you all for at least six months to a year after he left office. Same with Bush 8 years earlier.
And Trump is no doubt going to run again, so we’ll be talking about him plenty in the future, unfortunately.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Legend, I don’t think was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. He was the President of the United States at the time and 74 years old. Nobody — not even the most strident liberal outlet — was going to fault him for line jumping. The guy spent a year trying to have it both ways: he did some things that were helpful and also went out of his way to not alienate his anti-mask, anti-vax base. That’s not leadership. It’s negligence. Leading from behind, as you all used to say about Obama…. Same behavior when the Capital was stormed. He waited hours to finally come out and issue some mealy-mouthed statement (I love you; please go home), while everyone was wondering where the hell he was… Same thing in Helsinki when he said he trusted Putin more than our intelligence leadership that he had appointed. He had to come out the next day and read from a prepared statement claiming that he had mistakenly used the word “would” when he had meant to say “wouldn’t”.
The fearless leader who supposedly tells it like it is actually won’t tell it like it is when it really counts.
Not to dwell on Trump, but the Rocky thread reminded me of the dear leader’s “fearless” leadership on COVID that had real consequences with people’s health. Blame Newsome and others too – I don’t care. But don’t pretend Trump was some beacon of light on this subject. He tried to have it both ways for a year and it cost many lives. More forceful communication from the leading Republican surely would have helped more Republicans and conservative news outlets from embracing conspiracies.
And, yes, I realize there are some Democrats who refuse to be vaccinated. But the disparity versus Republicans is not some statistical noise. It’s a massive difference. It’s a failure of conservative media and Republican leadership.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I also remember when Trump said Kim wrote him beautiful letters and they fell in love. Such a bizarre four years.
Meanwhile, it’s been nice not having to hear about Trump’s latest temper tantrum every day. Apparently he’s in talks to launch his own social media company in a few months, though, so the peace and quiet may only be temporary.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
The Washington Post screwed up by using supposed direct quotes based on memory of someone instead of a summary. So, yes, Trump didn’t say “find the fraud”. But I’ve got a bridge to sell you if you don’t think that’s essentially what he was asking. The guy wasn’t calling just to shoot the breeze.
The real story still remains that it was wildly inappropriate and possibly illegal for a President to be calling election officials and trying to get them to change votes. There is audio of him calling Raffensperger and asking him to find 11,780 votes.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
It’s hard to take this board seriously. Two Trump appointees are criticized for not simply being loyal subjects when their job is to rule on matters of law. And this is somehow evidence that our country is too woke and descending into liberal madness.
or something like that. It’s hard to follow the logic here, so forgive me if I’m mischaracterizing.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
If Rocky is reading this, best wishes and I hope you recover soon.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
There seems to be a focus in the number of executive orders in this thread. But if you look at the substance you’ll see that at least half are completely non-partisan and non-controversial. Examples:
- Requiring mask wearing on Federal property during the pandemic
- coordinating a government-wide Covid-19 response
- banning discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation
- mandating ethics pledge for government appointees
- promoting Covid-19 safety in domestic and international travel
- expanding access to Covid-19 treatments
- promoting data-driven response to Covid-19
- invoked the Defense Production Act to ramp up supplies for the pandemic response
- establishing the Covid-19 Health Equity Task Force
- supporting the reopening and continuing operation of schools
- establishing a Covid-19 pandemic testing board
- expanding food assistance programs
- assisting veterans with debt
- facilitate the distribution of federal aid amid the pandemic
- facilitating delivery of stimulus payments to expand and improve delivery of direct stimulus payments, including the creation of online tools for recipients to claim their checks
- order directed all government departments and agencies to “promptly identify actions they can take within existing authorities to address the current economic crisis resulting from the pandemic
- reinstating Covid-19 travel restrictions
- promoting ‘Buy American’ agenda
- order re-establishing presidential council on science and technology
Maybe EOs aren’t the best way to do some of these things and I’m sure you can nitpick or disagree with a few of them above — and others not listed. But my quick read is that many of them are specific to COVID (presumably temporary) and not some kind of partisan thing. So just going by the numbers is a bit misleading.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
