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Genuine RealistParticipantThere’s a difference between free-thinking and cheer leading
A major news network continuing to tout a theory of election fraud which no one believes is a good example of cheerleading.
You can make a reasoned defense of Trump’s executive successes without buying into the whole line of bullbleep. But few have managed to do that.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantBailout, no, but buy out very possible. There’s a lot of undervalued assets there.
This isn’t 2008. This apparently is a very conventional bank run, albeit on a massive scale by very wealthy people. James Stewart and Bedford Falls it ain’t.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantMick,
Thanks for this. Actual insight.
To me, it’s not so much that tech is hated as taken for granted. I’m writing this on a Pixel 7 Pro. I now hold on the paim of my hand an information device more powerful than all the libraries in the world in 1923. . combined. Not Asimov, nor Heinlein, nor Kubrick in their wildest imaginations ever dreamt of such a thing.
Vaccines for serious plagues developed in nine months, five times faster than anything in history. Not ‘wow’ but ‘yawn’.
The success of tech magnifies problems less fortunate societies accepted as natural constraints. Many complaints about this. On Twitter, natch.
BTW, begun drawing Social Security yet?
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantThe Newt Gingrich mistake.
BTW, you must be reaching Social Security age. It’s still there. Told ya so.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantSorry, CC, I’m not playing that game.
I’m the same as I’ve always been. The Demented Left is as demented as ever, only now has far more influence than it should have. I still have little regard for the king of the wimps, Barack Obama. (I regret ‘Pretty Boy’ because it has a resonance of effeminacy and homosexuality that is unfair. But the implication of ineffectuality and passivity I don’t regret.) I have no patience with the Woke crowd. I look forward to the Democratic debacle in 2022 and likely in 2024.
The colossal non-sequitur that you and almost everyone else on this board fall into is that, to maintain these beliefs, I have to support Donald Trump. That is simply not so. In fact, it is exactly the logic with which Biden and the Democrats hope to avoid the election consequences they so richly deserve. They hope to force the public to choose between a party wedded to this semi-psychotic narcissist and his absolutely delusional history, and the complete failure of Democratic policy. Donald Trump is the shield from the failure of its policy.
No, thanks. Trump has to go, and into prison. To answer a couple of rather silly points elsewhere, I am fully aware that Trump supposedly offered National Guard troops to Pelosi. (The big lie was 10,000, back in 2o21, upped to 20,000 earlier this year.) It never happened, a rationalization by core Trump loyalists after the fact. It’s been thoroughly debunked – https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/13/sean-hannity/no-evidence-pelosi-rejected-trumps-authorization-2/, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/15/no-trump-did-not-order-10000-troops-secure-capitol-jan-6/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/
Offhand estimates in political speeches are not the same as formal requests, wich Trump never did. The ‘sources’ for this are Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.
Nor do you claim an election was stolen because the press – or some of it – was mean to you. What happens in an election is that you count the votes. The candidate with the greater number wins. Pretty simple. A credible case that there were illicit votes of a material number and you can fairly state the election was stolen. There’s a good case that this happened in 1960. The much demonized Richard Nixon, a real patriot, refused to bring the challenge in the interests of national unity. That sort of thinking is beyond Trump.
What actually happened was that Trump lost cold, and knew it. He responded by summoning a mob to Washington, firing it up, then retreating into the White House for three hours and congratulating himself when it tore into the Congress. He could have gone immediately online and called it off. He didn’t. He apparently gloated, and identified with them.
I’d charge him with treason, seditious conspiracy, and maybe responsibility for the homicide that did occur.
I won’t be posting again here – not worth it. You guys have got to start seeing the world clearly.
Three links to very articulate conservatism, that I like a lot. The first is Common Sense, set up by Bari Weiss, the woman who resigned so spectacularly from the New York Times – https://bariweiss.substack.com/.
The second is The Dispatch, Jonah Goldberg’s venture, a mind of solid observation about the absurdities of the Democratic Party and Woke culture – https://thedispatch.com/people/4350832-jonah-goldberg
Finally, the redoubtable Commentary, around forever – Jewish conservative thought. https://www.commentary.org/
None of these observers has any use for Biden. But one and all, they want Donald Trump gone and forgotten.
You have a choice. You can look for effective opposition to the excesses of the Democrats – or you can continue to be loyal to this semi-psychotic narcissist, and make people wonder about YOUR grasp of reality.
I want to see Trump indicted, convicted, and imprisoned, because he committed major crimes and did colossal damage. That doesn’t mean I’m suddenly Woke. It means I see more clearly than most of you how much harm Trump does to actual opposition to all the nonsense going on.
Go in peace. I’m done.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantSorry, CC, I’m not playing that game.
I’m the same as I’ve always been. The Demented Left is as demented as ever, only now has far more influence than it should have. I still have little regard for the king of the wimps, Barack Obama. (I regret ‘Pretty Boy’ because it has a resonance of effeminacy and homosexuality that is unfair. But the implication of ineffectuality and passivity I don’t regret.) I have no patience with the Woke crowd. I look forward to the Democratic debacle in 2022 and likely in 2024.
The colossal non-sequitur that you and almost everyone else on this board fall into is that, to maintain these beliefs, I have to support Donald Trump. That is simply not so. In fact, it is exactly the logic with which Biden and the Democrats hope to avoid the election consequences they so richly deserve. They hope to force the public to choose between a party wedded to this semi-psychotic narcissist and his absolutely delusional history, and the complete failure of Democratic policy. Donald Trump is the shield from the failure of its policy.
No, thanks. Trump has to go, and into prison. To answer a couple of rather silly points elsewhere, I am fully aware that Trump supposedly offered National Guard troops to Pelosi. (The big lie was 10,000, back in 2o21, upped to 20,000 earlier this year.) It never happened, a rationalization by core Trump loyalists after the fact. It’s been thoroughly debunked – https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/13/sean-hannity/no-evidence-pelosi-rejected-trumps-authorization-2/, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/15/no-trump-did-not-order-10000-troops-secure-capitol-jan-6/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/
Offhand estimates in political speeches are not the same as formal requests, wich Trump never did. The ‘sources’ for this are Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.
Nor do you claim an election was stolen because the press – or some of it – was mean to you. What happens in an election is that you count the votes. The candidate with the greater number wins. Pretty simple. A credible case that there were illicit votes of a material number and you can fairly state the election was stolen. There’s a good case that this happened in 1960. The much-demonized Richard Nixon, a real patriot, refused to bring the challenge in the interests of national unity. That sort of thinking is beyond Trump.
What actually happened was that Trump lost cold, and knew it. He responded by summoning a mob to Washington, firing it up, then retreating into the White House for three hours and congratulating himself when it tore into the Congress. He could have gone immediately online and called it off. He didn’t. He apparently gloated, and identified with them.
I’d charge him with treason, seditious conspiracy, and maybe responsibility for the homicide that did occur.
I won’t be posting again here – not worth it. You guys have got to start seeing the world clearly.
Three links to very articulate conservatism, that I like a lot. The first is Common Sense, set up by Bari Weiss, the woman who resigned so spectacularly from the New York Times – https://bariweiss.substack.com/.
The second is The Dispatch, Jonah Goldberg’s venture, a mind of solid observation about the absurdities of the Democratic Party and Woke culture – https://thedispatch.com/people/4350832-jonah-goldberg
Finally, the redoubtable Commentary, around forever – Jewish conservative thought. https://www.commentary.org/
None of these observers has any use for Biden. But one and all, they want Donald Trump gone and forgotten.
You have a choice. You can look for effective opposition to the excesses of the Democrats – or you can continue to be loyal to this semi-psychotic narcissist, and make people wonder about YOUR grasp of reality.
I want to see Trump indicted, convicted, and imprisoned, because he committed major crimes and did colossal damage. That doesn’t mean I’m suddenly Woke. It means I see more clearly than most of you how much harm Trump does to actual opposition to all the nonsense going on.
Go in peace. I’m done.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantThanks for the compliment, but it’s really not my cup of tea.
A little too one-sided, and every once in a while, some real nastiness.
I’m trying to devote my energy to the blogging to do, but that requires work and the temptation to slack back and watch tennis or one of the really good extended series.
Good luck to everyone, and see you every once in a while.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantNor do you claim an election was stolen because the press – or some of it – was mean to you. What happens in an election is that you count the votes. The candidate with the greater number wins. Pretty simple. A credible case that there were illicit votes of a material number and you can fairly state the election was stolen. There’s a good case that this happened in 1960. The much demonized Richard Nixon, a real patriot, refused to bring the challenge in the interests of national unity. That sort of thinking is beyond Trump.
What actually happened was that Trump lost cold, and knew it. He responded by summoning a mob to Washington, firing it up, then retreating into the White House for three hours and congratulating himself when it tore into the Congress. He could have gone immediately online and called it off. He didn’t. He apparently gloated, and identified with them.
I’d charge him with treason, seditious conspiracy, and maybe responsibility for the homicide that did occur.
I won’t be posting again here – not worth it. You guys have got to start seeing the world clearly.
Three links to very articulate conservatism, that I like a lot. The first is Common Sense, set up by Bari Weiss, the woman who resigned so spectacularly from the New York Times – https://bariweiss.substack.com/.
The second is The Dispatch, Jonah Goldberg’s venture, a mind of solid observation about the absurdities of the Democratic Party and Woke culture – https://thedispatch.com/people/4350832-jonah-goldberg
Finally, the redoubtable Commentary, around forever – Jewish conservative thought. https://www.commentary.org/
None of these observers has any use for Biden. But one and all, they want Donald Trump gone and forgotten.
You have a choice. You can look for effective opposition to the excesses of the Democrats – or you can continue to be loyal to this semi-psychotic narcissist, and make people wonder about YOUR grasp of reality.
I want to see Trump indicted, convicted, and imprisoned, because he committed major crimes and did colossal damage. That doesn’t mean I’m suddenly Woke. It means I see more clearly than most of you how much harm Trump does to actual opposition to all the nonsense going on.
Go in peace. I’m done.
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I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantSorry, CC, I’m not playing that game.
I’m the same as I’ve always been. The Demented Left is as demented as ever, only now has far more influence than it should have. I still have little regard for the king of the wimps, Barack Obama. (I regret ‘Pretty Boy’ because it has a resonance of effeminacy and homosexuality that is unfair. But the implication of ineffectuality and passivity I don’t regret.) I have no patience with the Woke crowd. I look forward to the Democratic debacle in 2022 and likely in 2024.
The colossal non-sequitur that you and almost everyone else on this board fall into is that, to maintain these beliefs, I have to support Donald Trump. That is simply not so. In fact, it is exactly the logic with which Biden and the Democrats hope to avoid the election consequences they so richly deserve. They hope to force the public to choose between a party wedded to this semi-psychotic narcissist and his absolutely delusional history, and the complete failure of Democratic policy. Donald Trump is the shield from the failure of its policy.
No, thanks. Trump has to go, and into prison. To answer a couple of rather silly points elsewhere, I am fully aware that Trump supposedly offered National Guard troops to Pelosi. (The big lie was 10,000, back in 2o21, upped to 20,000 earlier this year.) It never happened, a rationalization by core Trump loyalists after the fact. It’s been thoroughly debunked – https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/13/sean-hannity/no-evidence-pelosi-rejected-trumps-authorization-2/, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/15/no-trump-did-not-order-10000-troops-secure-capitol-jan-6/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/
Offhand estimates in political speeches are not the same as formal requests, which Trump never did. The ‘sources’ for this are Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.
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Genuine RealistParticipantThe endless rationalizations are amusing and amazing.
Did Trump have control of the mob? We’ll never know, because what he did do, for more than three hours, was remain silent and express his approval of what was happening to a number of (former) allies. He’ll die on that. He either stays silent and lets the implication of approval stand, or takes the stand and dies on cross.
Would Trump have demanded negotiations if his (sic) mob had captured a hostage? Before the fact, I would never have believed that he would insist that the election was stolen AFTER litigation, AFTER extensive investigation – would insist on wilder and wilder lawsuits, suggest the Vice President should abandon his polling duty (this in the absence of ANY evidence of malfeasance). This is a behavior that is near psychotic, and, at the least, a narcissism so profound it should disqualify him from public office.
So don’t tell me he wouldn’t have negotiated for a different election result. Based on his actual behavior, his conviction of righteousness based on nothing but his ego, Trump was capable of anything. Don’t tell me he would have stopped short of this or that. He showed no restraint of any kind.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantCome on. The election was audited to a fair-thee-well.
I followed the litigation commenced just after the election, which was necessary. A tremendous amount of money was spent by Trump – and he found absolutely nothing. The declarations were absurdly inadequate. By mid December, tame AG’s were filing syfy lawsuits – Texas v. Pennsylvania, for heaven’s sake.
Barr told Trump in early December he didn’t have a case, so did one staff member after another. Proof doesn’t matter to him. Remember that year long highly embarrassing audit in Arizona? Looking for ballots made out of Asian materials? Trying to subpoena the ordinary routers used for county business in Pima County because there was absolutely nothing?
Paranoid suspicion against Dominion result in a slander lawsuit that sends all of the confident Trump spokespersons rushing into hiding with procedural defenses – because of course they are quite ordinary machines, run by local precinct workers, and tested at the beginning and end of election day. At the end of the day, it was the Trump accusers who ran away from a decision on the merits, not Dominion.
The election was audited and re-audited. This is a case of people refusing to believe proof. The cause of course is Trump. The harm he has done to the GOP is incredible.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantHere’s the definition of treason, per the US Penal Code.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. 18 USC 2851.
You can make a colorable argument that storming the Congress with an aim of preventing the tally of votes from the Electoral College is ‘levying war’. I think the argument succeeds because of the interference with the essential task of government. But reasonable minds could disagree.
However, the charge of seditious conspiracy (from the same chapter of the USC) is right on the money.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. 18 USC 2384.
None of the other Presidential and gubernatorial actions comes remotely close. (Stacy Abrams made an ass of herself, but she did not organize a mob to march on the Georgia capital.)
Trump should have been indicted and tried on treason and sedition charges a year ago. As I wrote in another post, the only reason it hasn’t happened is that Biden needs him.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantI have to disagree.
It was very much like the Reichstag Fire, or the Bastille, one principal difference being that the institutions of the nation were strong enough to withstand it. Even so, it was a near thing. If the mob had been able to seize a hostage, Pelosi or Pence, the consequences would have been serious. I can guarantee you Trump would have tried to negotiate his way into a second term. It would have been awful.
The other difference is that this was the President of the United States leading the charge, with no regard for the most sacred tradition of this nation, the one he should have been duty bound to protect. And he didn’t have a leg to stand on, then or now. It makes no difference. He is convinced that he was cheated out of an election that he lost, fair and square.
I have no use for the Democratic progressives. Any sane Republican should waltz into the White House. The colossal fallacies of its energy policy, its obsession with identity politics, and all the rest, are being exposed day by day. Its only asset is that, by the damned luck of the devil, the spokesman for the opposition is this self-obsessed, semi-psychotic traitor. (So he was an effective executive? So Mussolini made the trains run on time. Get your priorities straight.)
I never thought I’d have any use for Andrew Jackson, but Jackson would have hung Trump two days after taking office. My cynical view is that the only reason Trump has NOT been indicted is that Biden wants him viable for 2024. He’s hoping to gain a second term on another Lesser Evil platform. He might succeed, if people who should know better don’t come to their senses.
I wouldn't give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn't have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness - yeah, and a little looking out for the other fella, too.
Genuine RealistParticipantMy major priority for a President is that he doesn’t commit treason – that he recognizes that the miracle of the American political tradition is that power changes hands peacefully, and accommodates that tradition.
I really don’t care about Trump’s triumphs as President. He wasn’t close to a great President – he undercut everything he did by the chaos and needless controversy that he created. His attitude toward the 2020 Election borders on the psychotic. He’s spent tens of millions looking for fraud in the election, found nothing, was told that fact by every sensible person in the Administration, and yet he persists. Persons with a personality order that pronounced are not qualified for any office. (Just why and when you bought into this absolutely absurd personality cult is something for you to figure out. Good luck.)
And he committed treason – publicly and indisputably. Sort of a disqualifying act, don’t you think?
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Genuine RealistParticipantThe Democrats have done nothing but negative stuff, and would be in epic trouble . . . were it not for the GOP idiots who remain loyal to that narcissistic felon. Trump replaces Aaron Burr as the worst member of the executive in history.
So dump him. Stop calling the opposition RINO’s. Trump’s the RINO. It’s an idiot personality cult, and its center figure has literally committed treason. Move on.
Then line up the canons against Biden.
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