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Legend: Obviously neither of these guys are Trump supporters. That doesn’t mean they are liberals — which was clearly my point, since Mick said “Dems” are shooting at Trump. I don’t know how you missed my main point, which I made multiple times, that “the Dems” are not shooting at Trump.
Apparently the guy from yesterday recently registered as a Democrat somewhere, but was Nikki Haley supporter and voted for Trump previously. Whatever his beliefs — he is not some kind of life long woke liberal. And he does not represent “the Dems”. And the guy from a couple months ago was, by almost every measure, a conservative guy. As you may recall, his school-mates said he would take a conservative position every time political issues came up. He was a big 2nd amendment guy. And there was other evidence that I don’t recall pointing to his conservative bona fides (if I recall correctly, he was a registered Republican).
Again, my point is, both of these guys have a history of being relatively conservative and “the Dems” are not shooting at Trump.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Biden has been even more hawkish on China than Trump, by far. That includes some targeted tariffs on certain things like EVs. Trump, on the other hand, is proposing an extremely inflationary agenda:
He wants to raise tariffs on all manner of goods, including items not produced here. That means consumers will be paying a heavy price if they want something from China.
He also wants to deport tens of millions of immigrants. Whatever you think about the border, deporting millions of low wage workers is going to put huge inflationary pressure on many industries and business throughout the country.
Like he did in his first term, he also will pressure the fed to lower rates significantly. That’s nice for some people, but if not done at the right time, it can promote inflation.
During his first term he also increased the money supply substantially, resulting in inflation that kicked in just as Biden was taking over. Biden didn’t do himself any favors and spent too much, as well. But if Trump acts like he did in his first term, and implements the policies he’s proposing in his second term, we will be in for another round of major inflation.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Ah yes, “the Dems” are shooting at Trump. I guess “The Republicans” are responsible for every crime and idiotic thing a single one of them does?
And apparently you missed the fact that the guy who actually shot at Trump a couple months ago was not a Democrat. By all indications, except on tiny donation he made during high school, he was a conservative. But that doesn’t fit the narrative, so…
And the second guy from yesterday voted for Trump in 2016. He recently switched parties, apparently, so I guess all Democrats are now responsible for his behavior? By the way, he didn’t actually shoot at Trump. He was five football fields away. Maybe he wanted to. We’ll see. But “the Dems” are not shooting at Trump. “The Dems” did not shoot at Trump.
But it makes for good propaganda and changes the narrative after Trump made a fool of himself in the debate (shocker; who would have ever expected /s).
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Almost forgot his latest bleat: “I hate Taylor Swift.”
Are you guys seriously going to vote for a guy with the maturity of a 12 year old?
It’s been a while since I posted here, but I recall shortly after my last comment a few weeks ago, Trump was regaling some audience about a conversation he supposedly had with Putin about Ukraine. It was completely made up, of course, so you’d think it was at least an interesting and intelligent fiction. Nope. The exact quote was straight out of Wayne’s World:
“I said: ‘Don’t do it. [Don’t invade Ukraine] You can’t do it, Vladimir. You do it, it’s going to be a bad day. You cannot do it,’” Trump recalled during his chat with Musk on X. “I told him things that, what I’d do, and he said, ‘No way,’ and I said, ‘Way!’”
That is some big brain diplomacy. His supporters must be hanging on every word.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Based on the subject line (imaginary people), I assumed this post was going to be about Haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
It appears Senator Ron Johnson has the smoking gun: it turns out Walz got married on the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.
I may have to reconsider my vote for Harris/Walz.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Trump A.I.’d it.
I agree rogpodge. Even I don’t think Trump is dumb enough (though, just barely) to believe he was endorsed by Swift. But some of his cult members do believe it.
Funny that he keeps retweeting A.I. images, though, after claiming the use of A.I. images is disqualifying and a form of “cheating”:
“Has anyone noticed that Kamala CHEATED at the airport? There was nobody at the plane, and she ‘A.I.’d it,‘” the former president wrote in a furious Truth Social post. “She should be disqualified because the creation of a fake image is ELECTION INTERFERENCE. Anyone who does that will cheat at ANYTHING!”
Projection, as usual. I should have known he would be posting A.I. images as soon as he wrote that. My bad.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
You’re seriously reaching Mick. Nobody took that Dowd commentary seriously.
The Democratic Party is a private organization that can determine who they want to run for President. They (along with the Republican Party) spent decades choosing candidates in smoke filled rooms. They can award delegates however they see fit. In any case, to reiterate, the did not force Biden to step down. He did it voluntarily. If he felt it was a coup he can surely speak up and say so. But instead he has offered his support for Harris and is going to be speaking at the convention.
Have some intellectual honesty and consistency. You all keep clamoring how Biden is unfit. So he finally steps aside and now you’re claiming it’s a coup. Which is it? If he’s unfit, then he shouldn’t be running. And as I said in another comment, I am not going to argue with you guys if you want to claim he’s unfit. Fine. Maybe he should step down as President too. WTF do I care. Either way it’s not a coup. Biden stepped away from the campaign voluntarily; the other potential candidates endorsed Harris; nobody else decided to run against her; the delegates decided to support Harris; Biden supported Harris.
The only reason to pretend it’s a coup is to take away from the actual coup from 2020 committed by Trump. It’s projection as usual. Trump literally tried to fraudulently subvert the will of the entire American voting public — 160M people or something like that — and not a peep out of any of you about it in four years (did I miss it?). The fake outrage over Biden is unbelievable. You want me to believe you’re so concerned about how Democrats treated Biden because it was unfair to the voters or some horse-sh!t, but Trump sending fake electors from seven states — pretending they were the lawful representatives of their states — doesn’t even elicit a comment, when in fact it is disqualifying. Some of you are still going to vote for that traitor (maybe not you Mick; I assume you have more sense than that).
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
[apparently my comment was too long to post the entire thing, so here’s part 2]
Do you remember some of the odd stories in the 2016 campaign? Some of them were ridiculous and obviously bullsh!t. But many gullible people gave credence to them. Some of them were even posted on the old CEB. I remember one of you started a thread about the stories questioning Hillary Clinton’s health — suggesting that she was seriously ill, near death, and unfit to serve as president.
Surprise: it turns out that these stories were made up out of whole cloth and published by Trump’s friend, David Pecker, with input and full knowledge of Trump. Some of the others you may recall included “Ben Carson’s violent past”; or the story about Ted Cruz’s father, who was supposedly linked to the JFK assassination — a story Trump repeated during the campaign, despite knowing it was total bullsh!t; or the fake rumors about Marco Rubio’s extra-marital affairs; etc., etc.
Lets not forget Trump’s “catch and kill” scheme, where he worked with his media buddy David Pecker to help him avoid scrutiny over damaging stories. Pecker testified about this in exchange for immunity in Trump’s New York fraud case, for which he was convicted earlier this year.
Then there are those odd times recently where Trump has been repeatedly caught waving to nobody: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-waving-video-nobody-1914619 He’s been doing this at least half a dozen time recently. The only explanation is that it’s performative behavior meant to suggest he’s got some big crowd of fans fawning over him. It’s probably not an accident that it has coincided with his obsession with Kamala’s crowd sizes. In any case, it’s another attempt to use fakery to manipulate the election narrative.
But of course Trump gets graded on a curve by conservatives and the msm. If the Harris campaign j-walks, it’s a scandal; if Trump commits fraud it’s just Trump being Trump. No big deal. Where was the outrage about this — or at least an acknowledgement that Trump’s entire persona is a carefully fabricated sales pitch that depends on manipulating the media and making up bullsh!t stories? Instead, let’s pretend to be outraged by some staffer on Kamala’s campaign who j-walked on the Google platform.
For those of you who ignore the constant lies and manipulation by Trump and his campaign, please spare me the pearl clutching.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
… not even Donald Trump would have gone that far.
Mick, you have to be kidding. Or you are much more naive than I thought. This is peanuts compared to what Trump does — what he has always done. This kind of thing is literally his M.O. — except he does it much more egregiously and is personally involved.
Trump regularly tries to manipulate the media — and usually succeeds. I’ll lay out a number of examples below, but the list is almost endless, so these are just a few:
Do you remember his ‘man of the people’ Chick-fil-A appearance earlier this year? Trump was greeted by a Black woman who enthusiastically hugged him, creating a viral moment that was widely shared as evidence of his support among Black voters. It turned out that the ‘spontaneous’ encounter was orchestrated by Michaelah Montgomery, a conservative Republican operative who works with Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens.
The Fox headline of course dutifully parroted the talking point: “Trump meets everyday Americans at Chick-fil-A”
She actually goes around to different events and does photo-ops with Trump so that the Trump campaign can post “Truths” about their “grassroots” support by the black community because there’s a black lady in the photo. On almost every road trip to an event or rally, the Trump campaign sets up an excursion to a fast food restaurant either before or after his speech and plants a bunch of activists there.
In September 2020, Trump held what was advertised as a union worker event in Michigan. It turned out that the event was held at a non-union plant, and many of the attendees were paid actors rather than actual union workers. The event was intended to create the impression of strong union support for Trump, which was misleading.
He did the same thing earlier this year at a staged event in Michigan which was presented as a rally for union members, specifically targeting auto workers. The event took place at a non-union facility, and many attendees were not union members but employees of the company that hosted the event. The AFL-CIO released the following statement about it:
“Having to pay twenty grand to rent a non-union facility because nobody wanted to host your event is literally so embarrassing. Trump’s whole bit is that he supports blue-collar Americans and wants to protect auto jobs but he couldn’t even find a real auto worker to hold up a rally sign. Scabbing has truly never looked so desperate.”
He’s done these thing so many times, it’s becoming hard to keep track and not mix them up. He did the same thing in 2023, for example, which you can read about here: https://newrepublic.com/post/175834/trump-uaw-michigan-speech-autoworkers-fake.
Then there was the time a few months ago where Donald Trump visited a bodega in Harlem that was portrayed as a spontaneous engagement — intended to create the appearance of support from the local black community. He shows up and there are people chanting his name. Of course, it later emerged that (surprise!) this event was carefully staged. The crowd that greeted him was organized by the New York Young Republican Club — just another attempt to deceptively manipulate the media.
Trump did something similar recently at a black church in Detroit. The event, which included a staged “roundtable” discussion, was more of a performance than a genuine grassroots gathering. The questions were canned and the audience was filled with people who had no affiliation with the church and were probably Republican activists: https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-crowds-fill-the-pews-for-trumps-visit-to-black-church-in-detroit.
Did you hear about the time the Trump campaign essentially ambushed a black-owned barber-shop with a bait and switch? The owner agreed to host a “black businesses roundtable”, but was never told it was a Trump campaign political event. Sure enough, Trump called into the event, trying to give himself the veneer of black “grassroots” support. Needless to say, the owner was humiliated and livid.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Hey Legend — please unshadow ban me, or whatever you need to do. I cannot respond to anything except this thread, it seems.
Can someone please tell Legend to clear his queue — like he did above in 2021 — or whatever he needs to do to get me reinstated?
Edit: Never mind. I figured it out. I had some swear words in my comment. Apparently you can’t type “bullsh!t”. After trying to post my comment about 10 times, I finally spelled it with the exclamation point and it went through.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I keep trying to respond again to Mick, but nothing shows up. Hopefully the comment doesn’t suddenly show up five times.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
You’re really trying to stretch the definition of a coup.
A coup typically involves the illegal or forceful removal of a government or leader, often through military action or other coercive means. Political pressure, on the other hand, may lead a candidate to withdraw voluntarily, but it does not involve the illegitimate seizure of power that defines a coup. Political pressures happen all the time in democracies.
A more appropriate use of the term “coup” would be applied to Trump’s fake elector scheme, when he tried to fraudulently send fake electors from several swing states in for certification. Trump tried to replace Biden as the winner and seize power for another four years through illegal means. Mike Pence didn’t go along with it, fortunately, but that was the most recent attempted coup in modern U.S. history.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Several more own goals by Trump:
- His campaign inexplicably is flying on Epstein’s jet, apparently.
- His rally in Bozeman the other day featured music (without permission or licensing, of course) from The Titanic. Is his campaign a sinking ship? It definitely seems like it hit an iceberg recently. Not the imagery you would want to evoke.
- Trump praising Musk for firing anyone who wants to unionize. Not the best strategy if you’re trying to win Michigan, regardless of what you think of unions.
- Trump threatening to sue the government for $100M for raiding Mar-a-Largo during the illegal documents case. Why would he want to bring more attention to that? It was the one case even Republicans thought had merit. His personal judges threw out the case and it was out of the public eye. Leave to Trump to say “hey let’s talk about those classified documents I stole.” Of course, he will never actually sue. The discovery phase would just draw even more scrutiny. So he’ll come to his senses soon enough.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I don’t think it was a normal lisp. I think Trump’s dentures were loose. I’ve noticed it occasionally in some of his rallies (having spent more time than any sane man should listening to them over the last year or so).
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
