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On a related note, a GOP Rep falsely tweeted that the shooter was a trans leftist illegal alien. The lie went viral among the right and allegedly got at least one transgender person assaulted in Texas.
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The whole article is a bit “inside baseball” for me as I don’t follow the nuances of this story. But skimming through it, it seems like Fusion GPS was providing some media and government folks with information. I didn’t get the sense (at least from your link) that ABC, Slate, New York Times, etc., were taking direction from the government the way Hannity was literally scheming with Meadows:
“Yes sir,” Hannity replied [to Meadows]. “On it. Any place in particular we need a push.”
But even if it’s worse than my impression, that wasn’t my point. See my response to cardcrimson earlier today.
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Apologies. I wasn’t trying to be too personal, just sarcastic. This was a reference to your post a few months back. I assumed you would remember. I tried to make it pretty obvious — paraphrasing your title and mirroring the language in that post…. Perhaps the reference was a bit too cryptic.
To answer your question about what was my point: You suggested media folks who are in bed with the government should be suspended. I was wondering if you feel that way about Hannity.
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This thread reminds me of the comments about electric vehicles I was seeing in 2017.
Regarding the 5% energy loss per month mentioned above, yes some batteries and cars lose energy over time, but it’s de minimis. The only time it would ever possibly be an issue is if you parked your car at an airport for a month not plugged in. But most people don’t do that even with internal combustion cars. I own an electric car and have been following electric car forums for many years. There are occasional questions about “phantom” energy loss, but practically speaking it’s not a problem EV owners are complaining about. And most of the energy loss is due to “always on” electrical systems not unique to EVs. Usually the biggest problems end up being due to someone forgetting to turn off Sentry mode (anti theft) on their Tesla or something similar.
cardcrimson compared it to having a leak in your 20 gallon tank. That sounds ominous, but in reality you’ll save on average about $1000 per year in fuel costs if you drive electric. You’ll also save on oil changes and other maintenance (far few parts to break). Of course, electric cars do cost more up front still. But the total cost of ownership is becoming competitive.
Range is less than an internal combustion vehicle and it does take longer to charge than to fill a tank, but unless you’re a person going on frequent, very long road trips, it’s really not going to add much time to your travels. Something like 98 or 99% of all miles are driven within a short distance from someone’s home. And those who do go on road trips invariably report that the whole “range anxiety” thing is way overblown. A trip between SF and LA would not take that much longer, for example. If you’re doing that every weekend, then sure maybe it’s going to add up and you might not want an EV. But the vast majority of people aren’t going to have issues.
Electric cars aren’t for everyone (e.g., towing or if you live in an apartment without chargers). But things are changing rapidly. Technology is improving and costs are coming down. Infrastructure is growing rapidly too. In ten years (and probably sooner) only a small minority of people will be buying internal combustion cars, except used ones.
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I won’t get into the specific points about Biden. That’s a much larger debate. I don’t concede all your points about him, but even if I did, my personal view is that I’d rather have someone incompetent than an anti Democratic President like Trump running the country. We as a nation can survive a bad President. We’ve had many of them. But Trump had a blatant disregard of (and undermined) many of our institutions, norms, and laws that are necessary for a healthy democracy. Many of you think he made the trains run on time, so to speak, but he was otherwise a cancer on our democracy.
You want to minimize the attack on the Capitol as some small number of nut-cases. But who do you think was encouraging them? Trump and his cronies were feeding that entire narrative and inspiring these guys.
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You seem very caught up in the numbers, as if that minimizes what happened.
Did this crowd really think they would change the results of the election? I don’t know. Certainly some of them did. Regardless, it was still a textbook insurrection, whether you like that word or not.
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“Didn’t you also buy into the narrative created by the 50 intel experts? The narrative about Trump/Russia collusion sold by Sussman?”
RJ, ironically I literally address that in the “Trump still attempting his coup” thread that I just linked to above. If you review that thread one of my posts says, “I mentioned in a previous post last week that I didn’t really follow the Russia thing that closely and never commented one way or another on it. I will note, though, that it was initiated by Republicans, investigated by Republicans, and prosecuted by Republicans.”
I guess you didn’t review the thread very closely … So, no, I never had a strong opinion about the Russia collusion thing and have hardly ever commented on it.
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Mick, your 2,000 to 2,500 number appears to be the estimated number that entered the building, whereas the total crowd was estimated as much more than 10,000. The Capitol Police only had 1,200 officers on duty at the Capitol that day, and many were outside the building. So even using your lower number the officers were far outnumbered vs your suggestion that the insurrectionists were the ones outnumbered. There were some Metropolitan Police officers there as well, I believe, but it’s obvious simply from the videos that the officers were outnumbered.
In any case, the size of the mob and who was outnumbered is not as relevant as you suggest. I am not familiar with the Collins dictionary, but every other dictionary I checked (half dozen, including more well known) do not provide that an insurrection be committed by a large number of people. It is simply a violent uprising against an authority or government.
It was certainly violent, as evidenced in countless videos and injury statistics. And it was clearly an uprising against the government. They violently overran police and smashed their way into a joint session of Congress who was there to count the vote with an intent to “stop the steal”.
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Mick, there’s no reason to put ‘insurrection’ in quotes. It was plain as day what was going on. The day before the insurrection I started a thread called “Trump still attempting his coup“. There was a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election. January 6th wasn’t just some big coincidence.
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As a lefty, I blame the guy posting left wing political stuff. The rules are clear. He was warned. Multiple people suggested he stay on topic. He just couldn’t help himself. I personally wouldn’t mind political things on the Cardboard, but they have made it clear they don’t want it on their platform — left or right wing stuff. I don’t see how you blame the Cardboard for taking some action — though I think they should have just kicked him off the site instead of shutting down the thread.
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The whole toxic bullying scene was cringe, as well as Smith’s speech after winning his Oscar. I saw someone comment that Will Smith probably would not have done that if Dwayne Johnson “The Rock” had been hosting and made that joke.
I have some new respect for Chris Rock who managed to handle it about as well as anyone could expect, without escalating or dwelling on it, and simply moving on.
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I am not against the program and I’m glad it helped you. But let’s not pretend more oversight would have been a good thing.
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Thanks everyone. I don’t disagree with much of it. I actually think long term this is worse than has even been suggested above. Regardless of China, Russia isn’t going to go away quietly. How that plays out, I don’t know. But even if we are weakening Russia, I’m sure they have plenty of cards to play still. And now they will play them when they have an opportunity. I hope someone comes back in a few years and tells me I was wrong and that it somehow works out well.
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