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I won’t get into the specific points about Biden. That’s a much larger debate. I don’t concede all your points about him, but even if I did, my personal view is that I’d rather have someone incompetent than an anti Democratic President like Trump running the country. We as a nation can survive a bad President. We’ve had many of them. But Trump had a blatant disregard of (and undermined) many of our institutions, norms, and laws that are necessary for a healthy democracy. Many of you think he made the trains run on time, so to speak, but he was otherwise a cancer on our democracy.
You want to minimize the attack on the Capitol as some small number of nut-cases. But who do you think was encouraging them? Trump and his cronies were feeding that entire narrative and inspiring these guys.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
You seem very caught up in the numbers, as if that minimizes what happened.
Did this crowd really think they would change the results of the election? I don’t know. Certainly some of them did. Regardless, it was still a textbook insurrection, whether you like that word or not.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
“Didn’t you also buy into the narrative created by the 50 intel experts? The narrative about Trump/Russia collusion sold by Sussman?”
RJ, ironically I literally address that in the “Trump still attempting his coup” thread that I just linked to above. If you review that thread one of my posts says, “I mentioned in a previous post last week that I didn’t really follow the Russia thing that closely and never commented one way or another on it. I will note, though, that it was initiated by Republicans, investigated by Republicans, and prosecuted by Republicans.”
I guess you didn’t review the thread very closely … So, no, I never had a strong opinion about the Russia collusion thing and have hardly ever commented on it.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Mick, your 2,000 to 2,500 number appears to be the estimated number that entered the building, whereas the total crowd was estimated as much more than 10,000. The Capitol Police only had 1,200 officers on duty at the Capitol that day, and many were outside the building. So even using your lower number the officers were far outnumbered vs your suggestion that the insurrectionists were the ones outnumbered. There were some Metropolitan Police officers there as well, I believe, but it’s obvious simply from the videos that the officers were outnumbered.
In any case, the size of the mob and who was outnumbered is not as relevant as you suggest. I am not familiar with the Collins dictionary, but every other dictionary I checked (half dozen, including more well known) do not provide that an insurrection be committed by a large number of people. It is simply a violent uprising against an authority or government.
It was certainly violent, as evidenced in countless videos and injury statistics. And it was clearly an uprising against the government. They violently overran police and smashed their way into a joint session of Congress who was there to count the vote with an intent to “stop the steal”.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Mick, there’s no reason to put ‘insurrection’ in quotes. It was plain as day what was going on. The day before the insurrection I started a thread called “Trump still attempting his coup“. There was a multi-pronged attempt to overturn the election. January 6th wasn’t just some big coincidence.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
As a lefty, I blame the guy posting left wing political stuff. The rules are clear. He was warned. Multiple people suggested he stay on topic. He just couldn’t help himself. I personally wouldn’t mind political things on the Cardboard, but they have made it clear they don’t want it on their platform — left or right wing stuff. I don’t see how you blame the Cardboard for taking some action — though I think they should have just kicked him off the site instead of shutting down the thread.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
The whole toxic bullying scene was cringe, as well as Smith’s speech after winning his Oscar. I saw someone comment that Will Smith probably would not have done that if Dwayne Johnson “The Rock” had been hosting and made that joke.
I have some new respect for Chris Rock who managed to handle it about as well as anyone could expect, without escalating or dwelling on it, and simply moving on.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
I am not against the program and I’m glad it helped you. But let’s not pretend more oversight would have been a good thing.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
LOL. I’ll give you some credit: you know very well that it isn’t “better”. It’s idiotic, like the guy who suggested it. If you actually think it’s a plausible idea then you’re welcome to correct me.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
How about painting Chinese flags on some of our planes and bombing Russia?
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
Thanks everyone. I don’t disagree with much of it. I actually think long term this is worse than has even been suggested above. Regardless of China, Russia isn’t going to go away quietly. How that plays out, I don’t know. But even if we are weakening Russia, I’m sure they have plenty of cards to play still. And now they will play them when they have an opportunity. I hope someone comes back in a few years and tells me I was wrong and that it somehow works out well.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
My guess: I think China will rape Russia economically. Russia has been “cancelled” by the west and isolated economically, so China will seize their opportunity.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
You didn’t. Neodymium’s posted previously that he blamed, in part, the western press and said Putin didn’t want this war.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
A few days ago it was the West’s fault for goading Russia into this war and now you’re complaining that we didn’t send in enough arms over the last few months which would have been even more provocative.
When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
You really think the west isn’t doing anything? You’re reading different news than I am. Even Germany is now providing weapons.
regardless, it’s a risky thing sending arms, medical supplies, logistics, intelligence to fight your neighbor who has nuclear bombs.
so I don’t blame anyone for taking a cautious approach. But the west seems to be all in on support.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-coordinate-arms-shipments-ukraine/When you understand "the deep state" simply refers to the rule of law, it makes much more sense.
