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rjnwmillParticipantTo me there are too many balls in the air to make meaningful projections about what comes next until the mid terms. So I’m left with straw man narratives. To me, Trump is the Kahn character from the Star Trek movie; “I stab at thee with my dying breath.” He lives for the fight, the adrenaline rush.
I would be surprised if during the packing he/Giuliani failed to include things to make Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, maybe McConnell, Graham and others life miserable. For Trump & Giuliani, self preservation and the thrill are sufficient motivation. And hard as their political adversaries try to carry on as though nothing has changed, the curtain has been pulled back on theses folks. Impeachment has a shelf life when you’re headed out the door. Not so much public corruption of office holders.
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rjnwmillParticipantWhat a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
These fools have more to worry about than an African backwater and Idaho blocking their access to their consumers. European governments have been itching to undo the Silicon Valley hegemony for over ten years.
I think they’re in too deep and have no one else to blame.
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rjnwmillParticipant“To be accurate, the attack was indeed worse than I had originally seen, and the assaults on the police despicable.”
I agree with your conclusion. There are no winners here. Trump being associated with such behavior undercuts his core messages…hard work, respect for law enforcement, productive participation in the society and the economy and a government focused on the well being of the individual, the family and the community.
For the democrats, they are revealed as the worst form of NIMBYs. Encourage lawlessness, property destruction and violence to further a political narrative. Bail perps out of jail to insure the civil unrest is continuing. Members of Congress inviting/encouraging the crap in speeches from the capital; pretending they are a natural and necessary consequence of the policies of the political opposition…until it gets close to their persons and property. Then it’s sedition. Their solution, give us power to target our opponents in the political theatre. A totally useless dissembling.
But at least we have a titular head that’s a senile old fool. We get the government we deserve. And to our leaders, a simple question, is this more or less offensive than the Boston tea party?
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rjnwmillParticipantToday from Pelosi:
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1348415479098953730
Joe reminds me so of General Al Haig…”I am in control here at the White House.”
Unity Joe, “I am the Democratic Party”, Joe? He’s lost control before he’s been inaugurated. Senile old fool. And Pelosi, has less control of the house than Joe has of the party. She’s been run over by lunatics and has subordinated the agenda of the new administration to page six. “Joe…Joe who?”
They think this allows them to undo the appointment of a special counsel for the Hunter investigation? With a narrative about the final acts of a mad man? Good luck with that bs when there is a money trail.
All with a six vote majority in the house? A 50 vote “majority” in the senate? That’s a bunch of Charley McCarthys there.
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rjnwmillParticipant“How am I headed down the wrong path lamenting the clamp down on conservative expression?”
I didn’t express my ideas well. For that I’m sorry. I see the “clamp down” as a symptom, as an outcome or the unintended consequence of the “problem”. The democrats knowingly put a senile incompetent in office. The objective that drove Biden through the primaries was simple, anyone, someone other than Trump. Never mind that the candidate is in no way qualified for the job or actually has the capacity to lead his party or his country. The effective functioning of our government based on the pursuit of reasonable policy objectives has been the sacrificial lamb. No elected officer can coherently explain what should be done and why; because no one is following the old fool. Already, the examples are too numerous to recount.
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rjnwmillParticipantI’m not so sure you’re heading down the right path. Some here have suggested Trump was making several important contributions to the national well being. Generally his policy portfolio has been proven to be effective in furtherance of our national interests.
Of equal importance, he’s dragged our politicians out of their dens and obligated them to reveal their true character and personal interests. The litany of bs from Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler, Schiff, Graham, Romney, Murkowski et al is now on the record. They can’t walk from it.
“I am the Democratic Party”. “I represent all Americans and I’ll unify the country”…but I won’t call out Pelosi and Schumer when they spew base baiting bull shit about the 25th amendment or impeachment. I won’t condemn efforts by social media to stifle free and open dialog. I lied when I said I know nothing of my son’s business and rumors of misbehavior are Russian disinformation
Joe, you couldn’t control your party until you took office. You can’t impose any discipline on those who undermine your presidency…before it starts. You’re senile and you’re not up to the job.
Trump may look prescient yet again.
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rjnwmillParticipantAnd here I thought you were exercising your chops as a fashion critic.
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rjnwmillParticipantPerhaps it’s too early to write the history?
Let’s not forget Obama’s observations, “Don’t underestimate Biden’s ability to fuck things up.” Time and relative performance adjust perspectives.
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rjnwmillParticipant“But this is about Trump, and inspiring a mob to attack a core Constitutional function. That’s the difference, and a big one. In short, apples and oranges.”
Ahhh, Trump’s disrespect for his political opposition is surely much different and worse than paying for a bs dossier, purposely disseminating said bs across multiple contact points in the branches of government, using said bs to defraud a court to perform illegal domestic surveillance on a political campaign and hamstringing an administration for 2+ years. And a faux impeachment isn’t an attack on “a core constitutional function” of government…during a pandemic.
Got ya Charley, Trump is the worst thing since Beelzebub…go ahead, you give a pass to the political class generally who have done the same for 40+ years. But realize, their misplaced focus on personal political advantage may explain why our foreign, security and economic policy is totally incoherent.
Perhaps now you can better understand why I’ve consistently suggested it’s in our best interest to burn it down. I don’t see too many virgins on either side of the aisle.
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rjnwmillParticipantYou failed to comment on the statesman like afternoon address by the President elect. What did you think of that. Did he inspire your confidence? Do you dare to dream?
And between you and me, the self serving self enriching political “pros” have been stoking these fires since long before Trump came on the scene. To now play the “adults” in the room as their long term good work bears the expected fruit is rich indeed. Fascinating here though, is only one side of the aisle was outraged by the summer of violence and property destruction. Laughable, but the outrage only becomes bipartisan when they are attacked where they live. Welcome to the America you’ve created fools.
I recall Nixon, an intern, endless accusations of racism, inciting confrontations with Trump administration staff, lies to sell policy, dossiers, the Kavanaugh hearings. Frankly, efforts now to avoid responsibility for what has been done by our “leadership” is repulsive to me. Not unlike 535 dissembling SF DA Boudins and his paroled felon and the two dead women on the street.
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rjnwmillParticipantNo shortage of fodder here…
“The other basis is the continued reiteration of the claim that the election was ‘stolen’, despite its complete untruth.”
I’ll be damned, the blind pig found an acorn! The election wasn’t stolen, it was lost. Democrats cleverly used the virus to act unconstitutionally and goose their voter participation. Changing the election rules without acting through State Legislatures ain’t permissible as I understand it. Trump talked a lot about the risks with vote by mail, but he failed to act in advance as the infrastructure/rules were modified to produce the highest voter participation rate in 120 years. {66.3% in 2020 compared to 1900 when 73.7% participated in Taft’s win over Bryan.}. Trump boxed himself in. His failure to act in advance left the courts no escape hatch. If he had acted timely and asserted his constitutionality claims in advance, I suspect he enjoys success in the courts. Declaring the rules changes to be impermissible while granting legislatures an opportunity to make what ever changes they wish is no big deal. Asking courts to void ballots from voters who acted in accord with the rules as they understand them is unlikely. Trump’s political strategists failed dismally. That ain’t “stolen”.
“I expected Trump would accept the fact that the election, albeit unusual, was a fair one…these wild lies are deliberately intended to undercut a fair election.”
You miss the point entirely with your expectations. Unconstitutional has nothing to do with fair or unfair.
“FWIW, American elections are conducted by amateurs.”
Simply naive. Here’s a background piece on Biden’s legal team. You think the Perkins Coie firm is a bunch of “amateurs”? Try again. These “amateurs” are the preeminent legal firm for democratic politics. {The same firm that worked with the Clinton Campaign on the dossier if I recall correctly. They play hardball.} Tell me, you think your postman runs the Post Office?
“The number of votes by mail, which is certain to increase, is exploited by Trump deliberately to fuel the faux outrage.”
State the obvious about the increase in the vote by mail tallies without addressing whether the rules changes that fomented the increase were appropriate/constitutional. You’re off in the woods.
“D0 any of you who speculate on fraud ever consider the sheer mechanics of it? The number of man hours it would take, the personnel . . . even the number of ballots? The actual operation of getting the ballots into the box? We are talking about hundreds of hours, whole office buildings, etc. The notion is farcical.”
Fraud? No constitutionality. That aside, this reminds me of your assurances that there was no coordinated effort to undermine the Trump presidency. The inspector general put the lie to that position.
And if you’d prefer to be cast in the roll of Charlie McCarthy, so be it. But as one dummy to another, Charley, I think it’s a distinction without a difference.
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rjnwmillParticipantYou think that will play with your jury? Good luck. Intellectual narcissism is generally seen for what it is.
Ps: I heard someone opine that America has been engaged in a “cold civil war” for at least 6-10 years. I think they were right in part and that the pent up rage led to a big Trump victory. The final response to undo the 2016 election has been ANTIFA burning cities and claiming autonomous zones. Now with the election fraud allegations we see another reaction from the hard right. Personally I think our current Union & Confederate “generals” have been waging war for far more than 10 years. No shortage of volunteers for the respective armies either. Interesting to note, the paucity of legislative accomplishments during this “war”. Per capita U.S. debt has increased from $820 in 1990 to $69,000 in 2019. To me, that’s THE most remarkable accomplishment by the “generals”…and now they’re going to get serious about bail outs?
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rjnwmillParticipant“One problem is a lack of qualified people to give injections. Evidently the requirements for sticking a needle in someone arm can’t be met by using EMTs, dental assistants, veterinarians etc.”
This is a hoot. As a user of insulin once a day and Trulicity once a week, I really don’t really understand the stupidity of this explanation/excuse. Time for a Monty Python sketch I believe…
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rjnwmillParticipant[quote quote=4082]But this is the Real Deal. You HAVE to prosecute. Not to do so is to accept the conduct as tolerable – and it isn’t.[/quote]
What is your theory here? I’m lost. Help me understand the difference between the last week and this summer…and the identity politics that have been at the core of our politics since the summer of 1965…except in 1965 3,400 rioters were arrested? Now we don’t arrest idiots who destroy property and impose violence and civil disobedience on their neighbors.
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rjnwmillParticipantGA and other states are simple to explain in my opinion. Democrats were smarter and more effective than republicans.
They figured out how to goose their voter turnout using the virus as cover. Low participation voters were used with the party casting their ballots under rules that were not approved by state legislatures. (Unions have been doing this for 75 years.)
Creative, opportunistic and effective for sure.
Republicans have a real problem now. How do they get the genie back in the bottle? They would be subject to a voter suppression narrative. If these new processes stand, the numbers are clear with democrats holding a plurality of low participation voters. Law suits to follow on the constitutionality of the alterations that lack state legislative authority.
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